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Post by lkrbuilder13 on Jul 11, 2013 18:22:40 GMT -8
What is the difference between 20 practical and 204ruger besides case length. Is the shoulder the same angle? Could you take 204 dies and trim them down and use then to load with? I do not know much about the Redding bushing dies. I do not know anyone that uses them. I am just thinking about a another project.
Thanks Brian
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 11, 2013 19:42:29 GMT -8
What is the difference between 20 practical and 204ruger besides case length. Is the shoulder the same angle? Could you take 204 dies and trim them down and use then to load with? I do not know much about the Redding bushing dies. I do not know anyone that uses them. I am just thinking about a another project. Thanks Brian No and no. 204 is 30 degrees. 20 PRACTICAL is 23. You know me so you do know someone that uses them. Buy a Redding FL type S die. You can load 6x45 223 and 20 PRAC with them. Greg |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2013 19:47:01 GMT -8
What is the difference between 20 practical and 204ruger besides case length. Is the shoulder the same angle? Could you take 204 dies and trim them down and use then to load with? I do not know much about the Redding bushing dies. I do not know anyone that uses them. I am just thinking about a another project. Thanks Brian The 20 Practical is nothing more than a necked down 5.56 case. There are no other changes. It has some great attributes. Brass is cheap, it feeds out of any 5.56 mag, Its speed is right with a 204 and is inherently accurate. I have yet to build one that won't shoot under 1/2" Bushing dies are easy to use. They give you the flexibility to adjust neck tension. Sizing the 20 Practical is as simple as changing the bushing size to .225 and load. Seating the bullets is just as simple. You can use a seater die from a 5.56 or as I do with a Hornady 204 seating die. Either way it is pretty straight forward. |
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Post by lkrbuilder13 on Jul 11, 2013 20:26:51 GMT -8
What is the difference between 20 practical and 204ruger besides case length. Is the shoulder the same angle? Could you take 204 dies and trim them down and use then to load with? I do not know much about the Redding bushing dies. I do not know anyone that uses them. I am just thinking about a another project. Thanks Brian No and no. 204 is 30 degrees. 20 PRACTICAL is 23. You know me so you do know someone that uses them. Buy a Redding FL type S die. You can load 6x45 223 and 20 PRAC with them. Greg I haven't seen the dies besides in the catalogs. I guess that would have been cheaper than buying 6*45 dies and another set of 223 dies(because mine were leaving marks all around the neck and I didn't have the patients to polish out the die) oh well |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 11, 2013 20:28:18 GMT -8
What is the difference between 20 practical and 204ruger besides case length. Is the shoulder the same angle? Could you take 204 dies and trim them down and use then to load with? I do not know much about the Redding bushing dies. I do not know anyone that uses them. I am just thinking about a another project. Thanks Brian The 20 Practical is nothing more than a necked down 5.56 case. There is are other changes It has some great attributes. Brass is cheap, it feeds out of any 5.56 mag, Its speed is right with a 204 and is inherently accurate. I have yet to build one that won't shoot under 1/2" Bushing dies are easy to use. They give you the flexibility to adjust neck tension. Sizing the 20 Practical is as simple as changing the bushing size to .225 and load. Seating the bullets is just as simple. You can use a seater die from a 5.56 or as I do with a Hornady 204 seating die. Either way it is pretty straight forward. And that is where it's at!! Greg |
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Post by biggdawg on Jul 12, 2013 3:46:40 GMT -8
I use the redding bushing dies also and love them. I have a bushing full length sizer and i have a bushing neck sizer. i also use the hornady 204 seater die
as rich says they shoot good. I love my 20 practical. now to get my 6x6.8 but it will have to wait till i get my bolt gun project done 6.5-06
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Post by lkrbuilder13 on Jul 12, 2013 4:54:25 GMT -8
I use the redding bushing dies also and love them. I have a bushing full length sizer and i have a bushing neck sizer. i also use the hornady 204 seater die as rich says they shoot good. I love my 20 practical. now to get my 6x6.8 but it will have to wait till i get my bolt gun project done 6.5-06 What action / barrel are you using on the 6.5-06? Are you just using the Redding bushing dies on that too? Is t that a 30-06 case necked down? If it is, is there any extra steps in raking the 30 cal down to 6.5. I don't know if neck thickness would give you a problem or if the shoulder would allow you to without distorting. Most of the stuff I have loaded has been factory calibers. The 6x45 is the first I have had to form brass for and that is simple. Thanks Brian |
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Post by biggdawg on Jul 12, 2013 5:02:49 GMT -8
I am building it on a howa 1500 action -- started life as a 30-06, going to use a boyd's thumbhole stock, i will be using bushing dies for it also but redding makes 6.5-06 dies so that is what i will use. My smith says i may have to neck turn the brass because i am starting with military brass. so i will see. i am a few months from completion, got my brass and my action, waiting on the barrel blank, stock and a few other things.
i love wildcats or the odd ball rounds. i only have 2 standard caliber rifles the rest are wildcats.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 12, 2013 18:18:10 GMT -8
No and no. 204 is 30 degrees. 20 PRACTICAL is 23. You know me so you do know someone that uses them. Buy a Redding FL type S die. You can load 6x45 223 and 20 PRAC with them. Greg I haven't seen the dies besides in the catalogs. I guess that would have been cheaper than buying 6*45 dies and another set of 223 dies(because mine were leaving marks all around the neck and I didn't have the patients to polish out the die) oh well One thing is Redding does not make a 6X45 brushing die. You have to use the 223 type to get there. They will make one up for an extra $100.00. I chose the cheap route. I do have some true 6X45 dies also. Both sets are Hornady New Dimension. I got them in the 80's when I built my first 6X45. Greg |
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Post by lkrbuilder13 on Jul 12, 2013 19:50:22 GMT -8
I haven't seen the dies besides in the catalogs. I guess that would have been cheaper than buying 6*45 dies and another set of 223 dies(because mine were leaving marks all around the neck and I didn't have the patients to polish out the die) oh well One thing is Redding does not make a 6X45 brushing die. You have to use the 223 type to get there. They will make one up for an extra $100.00. I chose the cheap route. I do have some true 6X45 dies also. Both sets are Hornady New Dimension. I got them in the 80's when I built my first 6X45. Greg I bought the rcbs small base 6x45 dies, they were like $35 at midway so I didn't hesitate. I just noticed I am a "full member" now. I was wondering what that means. I guess it means that I have posted 50 posts. That is a lot for me, this is the first forum I have ever posted more than one or tho posts. |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 13, 2013 5:31:08 GMT -8
One thing is Redding does not make a 6X45 brushing die. You have to use the 223 type to get there. They will make one up for an extra $100.00. I chose the cheap route. I do have some true 6X45 dies also. Both sets are Hornady New Dimension. I got them in the 80's when I built my first 6X45. Greg I bought the rcbs small base 6x45 dies, they were like $35 at midway so I didn't hesitate. I just noticed I am a "full member" now. I was wondering what that means. I guess it means that I have posted 50 posts. That is a lot for me, this is the first forum I have ever posted more than one or tho posts. Full member means you have to send Xmas cards to the staff and a Starbucks card with it. 50 posts seems like the number I recall. With the barrel you have you should have lots of good stuff to post down the road. Greg |
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Post by lkrbuilder13 on Jul 13, 2013 9:20:17 GMT -8
I bought the rcbs small base 6x45 dies, they were like $35 at midway so I didn't hesitate. I just noticed I am a "full member" now. I was wondering what that means. I guess it means that I have posted 50 posts. That is a lot for me, this is the first forum I have ever posted more than one or tho posts. Full member means you have to send Xmas cards to the staff and a Starbucks card with it. 50 posts seems like the number I recall. With the barrel you have you should have lots of good stuff to post down the road. Greg Too bad it doesn't give me time to go out and shoot it. I wish there was a way to add 4 more hours to the day. |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 13, 2013 16:28:07 GMT -8
Full member means you have to send Xmas cards to the staff and a Starbucks card with it. 50 posts seems like the number I recall. With the barrel you have you should have lots of good stuff to post down the road. Greg Too bad it doesn't give me time to go out and shoot it. I wish there was a way to add 4 more hours to the day. Your car doesn't have head lights? Greg |
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Post by Babaganoush on Jul 13, 2013 17:22:17 GMT -8
Your car doesn't have head lights? Greg I don't know about AZ, but where I live that is a quick way to lose custody of valuable family members in various calibers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2013 17:50:08 GMT -8
Your car doesn't have head lights? Greg I don't know about AZ, but where I live that is a quick way to lose custody of valuable family members in various calibers. Sounds like you need to find a new place to live. As long as you are not in the act of taking or harassing an animal it is perfectly with in the law to shoot at night. I don't know of a law in any state that says you can not target shoot at night. You might get a visit from a LEO but a quick explanation of what your doing and you should be good to go. We have shot BR matches at night when the temps get to where you can't see the targets because of mirage and the sweltering sun. And I don't live in Phoenix.  |
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