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Post by otis45 on Oct 20, 2015 15:29:47 GMT -8
I kinda brought up this question in a different thread or lest part of it but haven't got any response to it so thought I'd just start a thread just for it and see if any answers come out of it.
Was looking into getting BHW's SPR barrel but had some questions about it that I couldn't seem to find. First being about it being a 18" barrel with a rifle length gas system. I haven't been a fan per say in rifle gas systems with 18" barrel however I found a review that may have changed that for this barrel. The reviewer said that the gas port whole was larger then normal and that it seemed to help with reliability and they didn't have any problems with it. The reviewer also talked about how smooth it shot and didn't know if it was because of this same thing or not but thought it may have been because of the way it was ported. The other question is about the profile and size of the barrel...on BHW website were it shows all there barrel profiles the SPR has its on profile just up from the standard profile. Was wondering what the difference of the 2 are because they looked pretty close but maybe I overlooked something. If you have one of this barrels or just any knowledge of them and can answer any ether of these questions that would be great thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 19:35:19 GMT -8
I kinda brought up this question in a different thread or lest part of it but haven't got any response to it so thought I'd just start a thread just for it and see if any answers come out of it. Was looking into getting BHW's SPR barrel but had some questions about it that I couldn't seem to find. First being about it being a 18" barrel with a rifle length gas system. I haven't been a fan per say in rifle gas systems with 18" barrel however I found a review that may have changed that for this barrel. The reviewer said that the gas port whole was larger then normal and that it seemed to help with reliability and they didn't have any problems with it. The reviewer also talked about how smooth it shot and didn't know if it was because of this same thing or not but thought it may have been because of the way it was ported. The other question is about the profile and size of the barrel...on BHW website were it shows all there barrel profiles the SPR has its on profile just up from the standard profile. Was wondering what the difference of the 2 are because they looked pretty close but maybe I overlooked something. If you have one of this barrels or just any knowledge of them and can answer any ether of these questions that would be great thanks. The SPR is basically the same as the standard profile. I personally can't see enough difference to use it, but to each there own. If you are wanting to save weight go with the light profile. With that being said BHW sells more standard profile barrels than any other profile. It is the one size fits all profile. Go with a mid-length gas system. It will be 100% reliable with a normal sized gas port. The rifle length 18" barrels DON'T run enough smoother to warrant the potential problems they can cause. ( Basically you have to over size the gas port to the point accuracy can degrade just to make it run. ) I talk my customer out of them if at all possible.
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Post by otis45 on Oct 21, 2015 7:42:56 GMT -8
Ok thank you that's very good to know. Think I'm going to go with the 6x45 now anyhow so the SPR barrel won't work anyhow since only comes in 5.56/.223. But still been trying to make up my mind. Have a question about the light barrel now since ya brought it up. Is the light barrel less accurate then then standard because of loss of thickness and stiffness? I would think it would be a little, maybe not enough to matter however. What's your thoughts or knowledge on this?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 21, 2015 8:28:04 GMT -8
Ok thank you that's very good to know. Think I'm going to go with the 6x45 now anyhow so the SPR barrel won't work anyhow since only comes in 5.56/.223. But still been trying to make up my mind. Have a question about the light barrel now since ya brought it up. Is the light barrel less accurate then then standard because of loss of thickness and stiffness? I would think it would be a little, maybe not enough to matter however. What's your thoughts or knowledge on this? The lightweight is as accurate as the big boys day in day out. If you do a few mag dumps back to back you will see some temporary degradation in long range accuracy but in 3Gun you'll never see that difference show up. In the 18"-20" that I would go with it just isn't an issue. I shoot standard weight barrels and in reality the extra few ounces is not really noticed except in balance. I really prefer the extra weight vs my lightweight guns when I am shooting them hard. For 3Gun a good comp like the Dragon Head or the Miculek are helpful. Greg
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Post by otis45 on Oct 22, 2015 8:21:16 GMT -8
Ok thank you that's very good to know. Think I'm going to go with the 6x45 now anyhow so the SPR barrel won't work anyhow since only comes in 5.56/.223. But still been trying to make up my mind. Have a question about the light barrel now since ya brought it up. Is the light barrel less accurate then then standard because of loss of thickness and stiffness? I would think it would be a little, maybe not enough to matter however. What's your thoughts or knowledge on this? The lightweight is as accurate as the big boys day in day out. If you do a few mag dumps back to back you will see some temporary degradation in long range accuracy but in 3Gun you'll never see that difference show up. In the 18"-20" that I would go with it just isn't an issue. I shoot standard weight barrels and in reality the extra few ounces is not really noticed except in balance. I really prefer the extra weight vs my lightweight guns when I am shooting them hard. For 3Gun a good comp like the Dragon Head or the Miculek are helpful. Greg that's good to know, I didn't figure there would be much difference but at longer ranges I figured the edge would go to the heavy barrel. Yea I have a BCM light barrel with a very light key mod rail, that gun is super light and movies around very well. But with the same set up and a standard barrel I don't know that I'd notice that much of a difference. I've never took it down range though so wasn't sure how that barrel would handle distance. Thanks for the comp advice I have not used ether of them. Of the ones I've had my favorite so far has been the BCM but I've not used a lot of different ones or any geared to competitive shooting like the Miculek is
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Post by gunmutt on Oct 22, 2015 19:54:46 GMT -8
I too am in the spr barrel market. As for the rifle gas I understand it can be picky as too what it is fed. I intend to only feed the heavier pills since I am wanting to only work on mid range distance - 500 yrds. I have seen the new gas length BHW has put out for the 300 blk which is a difference of a carbine and pistol length. It would be nice to see an intermediate length similar to what noveske and knights did. It is a difference of the rifle and mid length. This would help ensure a more reliable of function of the rifle. This length combined with an A5 buffer system would create a really nice spr without the heavy price that the other two barrel makers charge.
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Post by otis45 on Oct 23, 2015 8:37:17 GMT -8
I too am in the spr barrel market. As for the rifle gas I understand it can be picky as too what it is fed. I intend to only feed the heavier pills since I am wanting to only work on mid range distance - 500 yrds. I have seen the new gas length BHW has put out for the 300 blk which is a difference of a carbine and pistol length. It would be nice to see an intermediate length similar to what noveske and knights did. It is a difference of the rifle and mid length. This would help ensure a more reliable of function of the rifle. This length combined with an A5 buffer system would create a really nice spr without the heavy price that the other two barrel makers charge. Yea that probably would be nice should be more reliable then the rifle length and little smoother then the mid length.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 23, 2015 8:56:31 GMT -8
I too am in the spr barrel market. As for the rifle gas I understand it can be picky as too what it is fed. I intend to only feed the heavier pills since I am wanting to only work on mid range distance - 500 yrds. I have seen the new gas length BHW has put out for the 300 blk which is a difference of a carbine and pistol length. It would be nice to see an intermediate length similar to what noveske and knights did. It is a difference of the rifle and mid length. This would help ensure a more reliable of function of the rifle. This length combined with an A5 buffer system would create a really nice spr without the heavy price that the other two barrel makers charge. Yea that probably would be nice should be more reliable then the rifle length and little smoother then the mid length. Unfortunately that would also require specialized gas tubes. Logistically for BHW it would be a nightmare. As long as a guy stays away from the rifle on an 18" barrel reliability is not a problem. As to the softer shooting short of a pedal to the metal run I've never noticed it. A good domp will handle about 90% of the sensation. The BLK thing was the answer to an engineering exercise that BHW undertook and the set up was a side benefit from knowledge gained. Greg
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Post by gunmutt on Oct 23, 2015 9:28:24 GMT -8
I understand that the .223 round is designed around a 20" tube and the rifle gas works well with it. I currently have a 264 LBC in that same setup and it can easily reach out. That is what I built it for, but it is somewhat heavy and I am limited on brass.(Lapua is not cheap - it sings from my barrel - but not cheap) This is why I am wanting something that can easily reach 500-600 yards that is lighter and cheaper to shoot, uses same caliber as my M4 clone and 16" comp. 18" would be a nice compromise between the 20" 264 LBC and my 16" plus giving me a much cheaper round to load for. Also my local range does have tactical precision rifle matches that are only a max of 500yrds while shooting from various positions. So I am leaning towards a 18" length but want a intermediate gas system or a 20" rifle gas. I want to install a lantac dragon muzzle device to the 20" with that is a stretch of a barrel. Basically I want an MK12 clone or a SDM/SAM-R clone. Both would be a great setup. I just can't decide....
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Post by gunmutt on Oct 23, 2015 9:31:03 GMT -8
No need for logistics on the gas tube. There are several already on the market. Rainier arms already carries them - Intermediate gas tube
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 23, 2015 9:46:34 GMT -8
No need for logistics on the gas tube. There are several already on the market. Rainier arms already carries them - Intermediate gas tubeYou miss understood it's not the logistics of getting any it's the logistics of furnishing tubes for the special gas length. BHW does not want to get into the parts business more than they are with the bolts for the Grendel and future C5 set ups for the BLK. While custom profiling is nice at some point the necessity of the $$'s to change over on a profile is not worth the sales numbers. Gas tubes are easy to some extent. I've got a fellow three miles from me that will make what ever I want but sometimes even I stick with the tried and true. Greg
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Post by gunmutt on Oct 23, 2015 10:01:33 GMT -8
Why does BHW need to furnish the tubes. The customer would simply need to buy one from someone who supplies them. As for profile I believe that BHW does now or did supply Rainier with barrels. So the profile design is simply either asking or use one from someone else. Lilja has the specs posted for the knights armament. So they are out there. As for function with the mid-length. The sorter gas system would aid in function but as the carbine length does aid a 14.5" but it also causes lots of build up and wear on components. A adjustable gas block would help but it is only a part with more parts.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 23, 2015 10:24:55 GMT -8
Why does BHW need to furnish the tubes. The customer would simply need to buy one from someone who supplies them. As for profile I believe that BHW does now or did supply Rainier with barrels. So the profile design is simply either asking or use one from someone else. Lilja has the specs posted for the knights armament. So they are out there. As for function with the mid-length. The sorter gas system would aid in function but as the carbine length does aid a 14.5" but it also causes lots of build up and wear on components. A adjustable gas block would help but it is only a part with more parts. Probably because you would not believe the number of one stop shoppers is part of the equitation. That was one reason why the Grendel was slow in coming. Actually I just got off the phone with them about this and the word was, "No, not at this time" They don't see a need to write the program nor have they seen much interest in the set up. In the same vain they are looking to thin the herd somewhat and eliminate some of the current offerings as standard fare. Greg
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Post by otis45 on Oct 23, 2015 12:13:57 GMT -8
I definitely see both sides it would be a nice setup and I'd like to have one that way but yea it probably a lot of hassle and money to put in on something that may not bring much interest or pay off in long run. I don't think they would need to make the gas tubes if there already out there but to get the one time shop thing.
Thanks for making the call, disappointing that there not even considering it but hey it is what it is and definitely not a deal breaker. Didn't get any hint to what they are dropping by chance?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 23, 2015 12:37:36 GMT -8
I definitely see both sides it would be a nice setup and I'd like to have one that way but yea it probably a lot of hassle and money to put in on something that may not bring much interest or pay off in long run. I don't think they would need to make the gas tubes if there already out there but to get the one time shop thing. Thanks for making the call, disappointing that there not even considering it but hey it is what it is and definitely not a deal breaker. Didn't get any hint to what they are dropping by chance? If anything it would be the more esoteric stuff. Not that some things might be available on request but sometimes streamlining pays off. Not to the extent of Henry Ford but a little is good at times. Greg
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