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Post by westmohunter on Apr 5, 2016 19:55:36 GMT -8
I'm curious what sort of accuracy most are getting out of factory Hornady SST 123 ammo. Mine is the first BHW .264 LBC barreled AR from a local builder, so there were adjustments to start but it's running flawlessly now. However, I can't seem to break below 1 moa. I used AA 120 Nosler BT first, then went to the Hornady 123 SSTs. Only put around 45 rounds through the gun, but from reading it seems like 0.5" is pretty standard for most .264 BHW barrels. Obviously it's possible that the problem is me, but I was shooting my RRA right at 1/2 MOA during the same session. Think there is a problem or am I just expecting too much? The gun shoots fine, but I was hoping for exceptional. So far......it's a 1 inch gun. Thoughts?
Also, based on research it looks like most use Redding, Forster or the Hornady die sets. I've never used bushing style dies like the Redding, but if it really extends brass life I guess I could mortgage the house to buy. If bushing style aren't a huge advantage, should I go with standard Redding, Forster or Hornady? Thank you!
Chris
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 6, 2016 13:15:37 GMT -8
I'm curious what sort of accuracy most are getting out of factory Hornady SST 123 ammo. Mine is the first BHW .264 LBC barreled AR from a local builder, so there were adjustments to start but it's running flawlessly now. However, I can't seem to break below 1 moa. I used AA 120 Nosler BT first, then went to the Hornady 123 SSTs. Only put around 45 rounds through the gun, but from reading it seems like 0.5" is pretty standard for most .264 BHW barrels. Obviously it's possible that the problem is me, but I was shooting my RRA right at 1/2 MOA during the same session. Think there is a problem or am I just expecting too much? The gun shoots fine, but I was hoping for exceptional. So far......it's a 1 inch gun. Thoughts?
Also, based on research it looks like most use Redding, Forster or the Hornady die sets. I've never used bushing style dies like the Redding, but if it really extends brass life I guess I could mortgage the house to buy. If bushing style aren't a huge advantage, should I go with standard Redding, Forster or Hornady? Thank you!
Chris Accuracy on factory ammunition is lot dependent. Some lots shoot better than others. Some of these barrels take a bit of work to find the powders/bullets they like. 8208 seems to run well in most. A Redding Type S F/L basic bushing die and one bushing is around $80.00. You do not need the micrometer seater. You can use a Hornady generic 6.5 seater. We like the bushings because you can choice your neck tension and deal with brass that is of various neck thickness. The standard dies will do fine but more control is just that. More control. Greg
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Post by gpsman007 on Apr 8, 2016 17:23:44 GMT -8
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Post by westmohunter on Apr 14, 2016 6:05:24 GMT -8
Thanks for posting that thread. It's a bit of a confidence builder knowing that other shooters are getting similar results with factory ammo early on. I'm not disappointed in the barrel, but I saw enough 1/2" references that I thought maybe something was "off" either with me, or the barrel. Anyway, I ended up just picking up the Hornady die, so I'm going to load up some 123 SSTs with 8208 and CCI 450s and we'll see what it'll do. Now if I could just get the rest of the gun to run right. It's odd. I can load up 3-4 rounds in a PMAG and I'm good-to-go. But load up a new Grendel mag and there are issues. UPS needs to hurry up so I can try another mag...
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 14, 2016 6:14:52 GMT -8
Done with Reddings. Greg
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Post by westmohunter on Apr 14, 2016 8:20:57 GMT -8
Wow, nice. And for the record, Greg...I appreciated the suggestion regarding Redding S bushing dies and didn't dismiss it. I just found the new Hornady set for $31 from Midway. When I recover from spending $ on this gun, scope, mount, bullets, primers, powder (you get the point), I'm going to buy the Redding sizing die. This is expensive!
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 14, 2016 10:38:47 GMT -8
Wow, nice. And for the record, Greg...I appreciated the suggestion regarding Redding S bushing dies and didn't dismiss it. I just found the new Hornady set for $31 from Midway. When I recover from spending $ on this gun, scope, mount, bullets, primers, powder (you get the point), I'm going to buy the Redding sizing die. This is expensive! Let me just say up front the use of the dies is only a part of it. You will do fine with the Hornady set up beyond any doubt in my mind. I use the Reddings because the ability to take one of the 6.5 dies and load all the way down to 20 LBC with just a few $14.00 bushings that also pull duty in the 6.8 variants and some of the 308 based cases is just a nice benefit for the budget. My REGULAR 6.8's are loaded with RCBS dies most of the time ..LOL Lucky for me the LBC family in my rifles all have the same head space so all I have to do is swap bushing when resizing etc. The first go around on a new cartidge family is always expnsive. I know when I got into the 20 calibers it was quite the sticker shock because I needed new cleaning rods, patches and jags plus the whole new gamut of bullets and powders. Greg
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Post by ballistic on Apr 29, 2016 2:57:57 GMT -8
Dead thread revival hijack.
So I have Redding neck dies for all my precision bolt calibers, love them. I am beginning the gas gun odyssey now that I purchased a 264 LBC bbl that is worth reloading for.
I went with the Hornady dies for two reasons. First, I've read that gas gun reloading benefits from full length sizing every time. Second, with the subtle differences between the 264LBC and the 6.5 Grendel I wagered that I could squeeze the most accuracy from dies that ideally should match my exact chamber.
I'd prefer to get a set of Redding's if all is considered equal. I strongly prefer the control and consistency of the Redding brand. I don't want to create uncontrollable neck tension by sizing with a Grendel die then squeezing the neck into the smaller LBC chamber. Am I correct in my thinking or is the difference so neglible that I could just get a set of Redding dies?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 29, 2016 5:53:15 GMT -8
Dead thread revival hijack. So I have Redding neck dies for all my precision bolt calibers, love them. I am beginning the gas gun odyssey now that I purchased a 264 LBC bbl that is worth reloading for. I went with the Hornady dies for two reasons. First, I've read that gas gun reloading benefits from full length sizing every time. Second, with the subtle differences between the 264LBC and the 6.5 Grendel I wagered that I could squeeze the most accuracy from dies that ideally should match my exact chamber. I'd prefer to get a set of Redding's if all is considered equal. I strongly prefer the control and consistency of the Redding brand. I don't want to create uncontrollable neck tension by sizing with a Grendel die then squeezing the neck into the smaller LBC chamber. Am I correct in my thinking or is the difference so negligible that I could just get a set of Redding dies? We use Reddings almost exclusively. TYPE S F/L bushing types give us lots of choices. The ammunition loaded for the two is IDENTICAL. The main difference is that the neck is a 296 in the LBC and the G has a 300 chamber. The throats are of course different but the lack of the compound G. type is not a hindrance as proven over and over again on THESE barrels. The only problem we have heard of is with the new steel garbage that guys want to shoot for cheap. Some lots of it are a bit larger than others and are very tight. Greg Dead thread?? LOL I just wrote on one on another board that was 7 YEARS OLD!!
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Post by ballistic on Apr 29, 2016 6:30:47 GMT -8
Haha I figured I'd open the gates for an Internet lashing.
I thought there was a sweep angle difference on the shoulder and a neck length variation. I need to do more research..
Thank you Greg, you're a great resource for all Grendel/LBC information!
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 29, 2016 7:10:15 GMT -8
Haha I figured I'd open the gates for an Internet lashing. I thought there was a sweep angle difference on the shoulder and a neck length variation. I need to do more research.. Thank you Greg, you're a great resource for all Grendel/LBC information! No they are the same. I just ulled my reamer prints of both to verify. All an LBC was, as done by Les Baer, was the renaming of the cartridge, a tighter neck and the use of a 1.5 degree leaded vs. the compound 0.5 to 1.5 on the Grendel. Al these changes were done to eliminate the copyright of Alexander on the Grendel prior to SAAMI release. BTW to clear up a question Les Baer had NOTHING to do with the 243 LBC, 22LBC or the 20 LBC. Those were all done by BHW. We've actually had guys call LB and want to ask about them. Greg
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Post by lerms on Apr 29, 2016 17:38:23 GMT -8
Haha I figured I'd open the gates for an Internet lashing. I thought there was a sweep angle difference on the shoulder and a neck length variation. I need to do more research.. Thank you Greg, you're a great resource for all Grendel/LBC information! No they are the same. I just ulled my reamer prints of both to verify. All an LBC was, as done by Les Baer, was the renaming of the cartridge, a tighter neck and the use of a 1.5 degree leaded vs. the compound 0.5 to 1.5 on the Grendel. Al these changes were done to eliminate the copyright of Alexander on the Grendel prior to SAAMI release. BTW to clear up a question Les Baer had NOTHING to do with the 243 LBC, 22LBC or the 20 LBC. Those were all done by BHW. We've actually had guys call LB and want to ask about them. Greg Greg I known that BHW did the 243,22 & 20 LBC but why in the hell did blackhole not name it 243 BHW? and so on? *hijacked again* Lerms
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 29, 2016 18:18:15 GMT -8
No they are the same. I just ulled my reamer prints of both to verify. All an LBC was, as done by Les Baer, was the renaming of the cartridge, a tighter neck and the use of a 1.5 degree leaded vs. the compound 0.5 to 1.5 on the Grendel. Al these changes were done to eliminate the copyright of Alexander on the Grendel prior to SAAMI release. BTW to clear up a question Les Baer had NOTHING to do with the 243 LBC, 22LBC or the 20 LBC. Those were all done by BHW. We've actually had guys call LB and want to ask about them. Greg Greg I known that BHW did the 243,22 & 20 LBC but why in the hell did blackhole not name it 243 BHW? and so on? *hijacked again* Lerms Quite simply Carl doesn't like the noteriety. Naming a cartridge is an odd deal. Very few historically have done well with a funky name like Varminter or Western etc. Smaller companies introducing a cartridge rarely do well with a few notable exceptions like the Weatherby and Lazerroni with deep pockets. New cartidge names get agonized over when we design them. Cutsey stuff that is appearing all over the net almost comical. Most will have a small cult following and as in the hay days of wildcatting claims of performance far in excess of physics will be made. Those designs will limp along and be fringe loaded. BHW doesn't want to be fringed so naming is address is addressed carefully. The 244 Remington became the 6MM Remington. The 7MM Express became the 280. BHW tries to get it right the first time. Just a little history on the 243LBC for you. It was originally the 243 NFA but was changed prior to release. Ritch did the design work on it just like its cousin the 6X6.8. There is a new hammer being developed as I type this. Rest assured it won't be called the THOR. Greg
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Post by lerms on Apr 29, 2016 18:26:13 GMT -8
Interesting really sure I'll have more questions after I test my new loads tomorrow, until then I'll be dreaming of shooting Flys
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 29, 2016 18:48:13 GMT -8
Interesting really sure I'll have more questions after I test my new loads tomorrow, until then I'll be dreaming of shooting Flys Lerms You said flys?? How about this? Greg
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