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Post by gunmutt on Oct 8, 2012 7:17:25 GMT -8
Well folks the gun bug has brought me back to my youth. I wish ti start deer hunting again. With the variety of calibers froman ar growing almost daily I am having trouble find one thats right for me. a couple of key features about this round is what I am looking for -utilize the standard ar-15 lower -substantial knockdown power -standard or modified mag ok -For hunting more than 10 rounds is overkill I reload so wildcats only make this cooler any thoughts
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Post by joebush on Oct 8, 2012 10:01:39 GMT -8
6.5 Grendel meets your priorities, just isn't a wildcat. You can get a nice assortment of bullet weights with high B.C.
Depending on your desired prey animal, you might want to look into some of the big boys, like .450 Bushmaster or .458 Socom.
If you are going after whitetails, I currently have been shooting a 6mmx6.8 upper from BHW that is unbelievably accurate, has plenty of knockdown for deer, hog, etc. and is a roll your own special.
Joe
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 8, 2012 10:10:40 GMT -8
Welcome to your re-addiction!!
For your needs I would look to the 264 LBC with a 1:9 twist. Go with a 22" tube for the velocity with a standard profile. It will handle good deer bullets and give great accuracy.
I have a few BHW barrels and have been shooting a lot of the 6 MM"s. The 243 LBC is also a good choice as it will lay in the velocity with some excellent pills.
Greg
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Post by flutedbull204 on Oct 8, 2012 13:01:37 GMT -8
I own and would recommend the BHW 264 lbc. I am shooting .46 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards with 120 grain Nosler ballistic tips. I am using it this year on whitetail here in Missouri.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 8, 2012 13:05:27 GMT -8
I own and would recommend the BHW 264 lbc. I am shooting .46 inch 5 shot groups at 100 yards with 120 grain Nosler ballistic tips. I am using it this year on whitetail here in Missouri. I hope you fill that tag. Of course I don't think it will be bigger than a one shot group!! Greg
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 4:19:26 GMT -8
Well folks the gun bug has brought me back to my youth. I wish ti start deer hunting again. With the variety of calibers froman ar growing almost daily I am having trouble find one thats right for me. a couple of key features about this round is what I am looking for -utilize the standard ar-15 lower -substantial knockdown power -standard or modified mag ok -For hunting more than 10 rounds is overkill I reload so wildcats only make this cooler any thoughts Many cartridges fit your requirements until you add in substantial knockdown power. Most of the wildcats out there have adequate energy for the intended job. ( deer hunting ) Finding a real crusher cartridge is going to be tough. As you know there is only so much room in an AR magazine. So we live in those parameters of IF we can make it fit. But remember there are also pressure issues associated with the big boomers. The larger the case head the lower we must keep the operating pressure. The only way around this is if you use one of the proprietary uppers that have been rebuilt to use the WSSM cartridges or the 30 Rem AR. IMHO when you start opening ports, milling ejection ports adds extra stress on an upper receiver that was not designed for it. Using an AR 10 barrel extension in an AR 15 receiver means there are some parts that are milled to thin for my liking. With all this in mind, If I had to chose one cartridge that would do what your after, it would be the 243 LBC. It shoots flatter out to 600 yards than most other rounds. It can be reloaded fairly inexpensive and the list of components is almost endless. Because of the shape of the case the bullet does not infringe on the powder capacity. The 95 gr Nosler is tough to beat in the 243 LBC. Also the 87 gr. Berger VLD is unbelievably accurate as is the 85 gr Sierra GK. All of the above mentioned bullets will run within a 150 FPS of the 243 Win. and stay in the pressure limits of the AR 15 platform. Whats not to like about the 243 LBC?
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Post by gunmutt on Oct 9, 2012 5:21:44 GMT -8
what is the difference in the 243lbc and the 6x6.8? Plus when I hunt I don't do tree stands and I simply just shoulder the weapon. I grew up using a 30-30 Winchester lever action. I don't own an ATV and that means I do a lot walking. This being said a 22" 264lbc is simply to much length and weight. 18" is probably the longest i'd want. 200 yrds is also the max due to the terrain here.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2012 6:06:46 GMT -8
what is the difference in the 243lbc and the 6x6.8? Plus when I hunt I don't do tree stands and I simply just shoulder the weapon. I grew up using a 30-30 Winchester lever action. I don't own an ATV and that means I do a lot walking. This being said a 22" 264lbc is simply to much length and weight. 18" is probably the longest i'd want. 200 yrds is also the max due to the terrain here. The difference between the 243 LBC and the 6X68 is the parent case. The 243 LBC uses the 6.5 Grendel case and the 6X68 uses the 6.8SPC case. Because of the case length the LBC is better adapted for the heavy bullets. The 6.8 case works at its best with the light bullets. Now this does not mean you can't use the entire range of available bullets with either case. I am just pointing out each ones strong points. Being limited to an 18" barrel, my choice would be the 6X68. If it is legal in your area shoot an 87 gr. VLD and you will have a great light weight carry gun with plenty of punch.
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Post by gunmutt on Nov 4, 2012 2:51:34 GMT -8
well I did some scouting in my new hunting grounds. There is some great potential there only from what ive found 200 yrds would probably be and overkill in most shots would within 100 or less. Considering I am close to the city limits I dont need a gun that take an elk at 1500 yrds. . The 7.62x40wt and the 25-223 look to be very viable options. Any input.
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Post by 40rod on Nov 4, 2012 8:21:46 GMT -8
For what you want my first choice would be 5.56, but since it is not a legal deer round in WA state I use a 6x45 with a 16" tube as my saddle gun. Shoots flat with plenty of power out past 200 meters. What RJ wrote about messing with parameters is true . My other AR is a 300 OSSM It is an interesting toy but it really is stretching the envelope. Like stuffing 10 pounds of crap into a 5 pound bag it must be handled with care. The 6x45 does the job with the least change from the original design .
Bob
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