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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 12:49:56 GMT -8
Ok, I have a question for the experts along these lines... I am wanting a 6mm option to run the lighter 55-80gr bullets, with most being the 55gr Nosler BT Lead free or the 62gr Barnes VGs. With price being a concern, which caliber would give me the best bang for the buck? Mostly varmint control and rarely used on deer. I have a 6.8 for most of my larger Varmint and regular hunting needs already. If you are already shooting a 6.8 the 6X68 is the logical way to go. You would use the same magazines, same parent case, you could even use the same BCG. If you are using Redding bushing dies for your 6.8 all you would need is a 6mm seating die and a 22 caliber decapping stem for your size die.
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Post by aspp on Nov 20, 2012 13:15:43 GMT -8
I am a bit of a RCBS fan, but I dont have any of the bushing dies. So that would be a new experiance, not a big deal outside the cost to set up for it.
I also should have mentioned I have a 223 bolt gun and tons of brass for it (Junky remmington 700 adl truck gun, never shot well) so brass is not an issue for the 6x45.
Just tring to get an idea if the 6x45 would fit the bill for what I am looking to do, or if I should step up to the 6x6.8.
The whole goal is to replace the non-shooter 223, and quit using my 22 mag (copper ammo for it is EXPENSIVE, .32/shot!!!) in its place. So Im looking for something that I can reload for less than .30/shot, will thump yotes at 300yds, and can be used for deer if needed. I have no intention of running heavy bullets out of it, my 243 can do that.
Right now Im shooting 50-100rds a week of 22mag, controling ground squirrls and yotes on several ranches that can not be poisined. I would use the 243, but I am on my 5th barrel for it and not looking forward to buying another, so something not quit so over-bore would be nice.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 13:26:33 GMT -8
I am a bit of a RCBS fan, but I dont have any of the bushing dies. So that would be a new experiance, not a big deal outside the cost to set up for it. I also should have mentioned I have a 223 bolt gun and tons of brass for it (Junky remmington 700 adl truck gun, never shot well) so brass is not an issue for the 6x45. Just tring to get an idea if the 6x45 would fit the bill for what I am looking to do, or if I should step up to the 6x6.8. The whole goal is to replace the non-shooter 223, and quit using my 22 mag (copper ammo for it is EXPENSIVE, .32/shot!!!) in its place. So Im looking for something that I can reload for less than .30/shot, will thump yotes at 300yds, and can be used for deer if needed. I have no intention of running heavy bullets out of it, my 243 can do that. Right now Im shooting 50-100rds a week of 22mag, controling ground squirrls and yotes on several ranches that can not be poisined. I would use the 243, but I am on my 5th barrel for it and not looking forward to buying another, so something not quit so over-bore would be nice. The 6X45 is by far the most inexpensive to shoot. The 300 yard range is on the outside edge of the 6X45 but it will do it. Loaded with light bullets the 6X45 will do 3200 FPS the 6X68 will do 3400 FPS plus.
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Post by aspp on Nov 20, 2012 13:58:13 GMT -8
I am a bit of a RCBS fan, but I dont have any of the bushing dies. So that would be a new experiance, not a big deal outside the cost to set up for it. I also should have mentioned I have a 223 bolt gun and tons of brass for it (Junky remmington 700 adl truck gun, never shot well) so brass is not an issue for the 6x45. Just tring to get an idea if the 6x45 would fit the bill for what I am looking to do, or if I should step up to the 6x6.8. The whole goal is to replace the non-shooter 223, and quit using my 22 mag (copper ammo for it is EXPENSIVE, .32/shot!!!) in its place. So Im looking for something that I can reload for less than .30/shot, will thump yotes at 300yds, and can be used for deer if needed. I have no intention of running heavy bullets out of it, my 243 can do that. Right now Im shooting 50-100rds a week of 22mag, controling ground squirrls and yotes on several ranches that can not be poisined. I would use the 243, but I am on my 5th barrel for it and not looking forward to buying another, so something not quit so over-bore would be nice. The 6X45 is by far the most inexpensive to shoot. The 300 yard range is on the outside edge of the 6X45 but it will do it. Loaded with light bullets the 6X45 will do 3200 FPS the 6X68 will do 3400 FPS plus. Thanks for the info, thats what I was looking for. Right now I get shots from 10 feet to 800yds, and I am packing a 22mag and a 30-06 to cover it all. And yes a 22mag can kill yotes at 250-300yds, but you have to hit them a couple times. What is the optimum barrel lenght for both? Im guessing 24?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2012 15:20:37 GMT -8
The 6X45 is by far the most inexpensive to shoot. The 300 yard range is on the outside edge of the 6X45 but it will do it. Loaded with light bullets the 6X45 will do 3200 FPS the 6X68 will do 3400 FPS plus. Thanks for the info, thats what I was looking for. Right now I get shots from 10 feet to 800yds, and I am packing a 22mag and a 30-06 to cover it all. And yes a 22mag can kill yotes at 250-300yds, but you have to hit them a couple times. What is the optimum barrel lenght for both? Im guessing 24? I am shooting a 22" 6X68. There are a few people shooting a 24" barrel A 22" barrel will push a 58gr Vmax at 3550 FPS. The 24 will be as much as 100 FPS faster with the right powder.
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Post by aspp on Nov 20, 2012 19:11:04 GMT -8
Awesome, thanks Ritch!
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Post by eisenochs on Dec 8, 2012 23:15:21 GMT -8
oKay i am getting frustrated about this. I would love to have all three so I could truly decide but my wife said im not as good as magic mike making money. So if I could only have one. One rifle thats easy to build loads up on, it needs to be able to take out an animal up to 300yrds. Prefer 20" or less on a barrel in a lightweight profile. So guys what do you think? This is last call due to i am in the mood to build now. Well, I have to disclose something here-- I'm not much of an AR guy. I'm only mid-way through my first build, which will be a standard 5.56 But, I do have a lot of experience with bolt-actions and the many calibers encompassed by them. One of my favorite whitetail deer cartridges is the 6.5 Swedish Mauser (aka 6.5x55). Relatively soft recoil, and an excellent ballistic coefficient. 130-grain Swift Scirocco II's are my favorite. As a result, the first major mod to my AR will likely be a 6.5CSS/LBC bolt, barrel, and mag. Unless you're a ridiculously-good shot, I'd definitely give the 6mm's a pass and go for the 6.5mm. Good selection of bullet weights, and I don't like to take chances on the hunt-- I try to harvest as humanely as possible. Of course, in my state, we're not allowed to hunt with semi-auto's, either, so one shot had BETTER equal ONE KILL!
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Post by dtrainmore on Jan 23, 2013 12:59:34 GMT -8
I'm trying to get Andy & Co. to do up a left hand magnum upper in a wildcat 6.8mm x 1.75 inch case made from a shortened 300 RCM parent. I have a Mauser M-98 in 6mmRemBR. This refuses to feed. Andy said he pretty much gave up on them too. If I order my PT&G reamer for the 6mm, I can re-chamber my Mauser, and then use an oversized pilot to do the 6.8, with some extra neck throat work. I have a 1 in 14 twist Shilen, take off barrel. It won't hold 1/3rd M.O.A., anymore. But my wildcats are expressly designed to feed slickly. The downside is that they all require magnum bolt faces. My capacity will be very close to the old 277 Titus, or the Jap 6.5 x 50R. Plan B is to make a 243 Win. out of it, but then my twist won't stabilize factory ammo. My bullets are limited to about 75 grs. So what can you folks suggest as to what kind of field performance I can expect? The Rem6BR is plenty fast with these light bullets, so its really a feeding issue, in order to make a yote rifle. But with my earlier Boer 8mm Mag's case taper, it should feed O.K. through an AR upper. I picked up on the 6.8 bore as the solid copper bullets lose some SD from the lead cored ones in the 6.5's. A 6mm version should be like a shorter 6mm International, in practice, and using the old style lead cored spitzers. I don't think I can re-chamber a Rem6BR to the older Savage 6mm Int., without doing major barrel work, as I have open sights installed now.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 23, 2013 17:30:15 GMT -8
I'm trying to get Andy & Co. to do up a left hand magnum upper in a wildcat 6.8mm x 1.75 inch case made from a shortened 300 RCM parent. I have a Mauser M-98 in 6mmRemBR. This refuses to feed. Andy said he pretty much gave up on them too. If I order my PT&G reamer for the 6mm, I can re-chamber my Mauser, and then use an oversized pilot to do the 6.8, with some extra neck throat work. I have a 1 in 14 twist Shilen, take off barrel. It won't hold 1/3rd M.O.A., anymore. But my wildcats are expressly designed to feed slickly. The downside is that they all require magnum bolt faces. My capacity will be very close to the old 277 Titus, or the Jap 6.5 x 50R. Plan B is to make a 243 Win. out of it, but then my twist won't stabilize factory ammo. My bullets are limited to about 75 grs. So what can you folks suggest as to what kind of field performance I can expect? The Rem6BR is plenty fast with these light bullets, so its really a feeding issue, in order to make a yote rifle. But with my earlier Boer 8mm Mag's case taper, it should feed O.K. through an AR upper. I picked up on the 6.8 bore as the solid copper bullets lose some SD from the lead cored ones in the 6.5's. A 6mm version should be like a shorter 6mm International, in practice, and using the old style lead cored spitzers. I don't think I can re-chamber a Rem6BR to the older Savage 6mm Int., without doing major barrel work, as I have open sights installed now. You will need a bolt size that is not usually available on the open market. You don't have a snowballs chance of anyone producing a LH Magnum upper since none of us in the Hinterlands a have shot a right handed magnum upper yet. You would be better served, IMHO, in just doing up a 24 WSSM if you are bound and determined to go for the 6 MM or sizing a neck up and making a 6.8 WSSM. I shoot the 25 now and it is plenty stout for your needs. Maybe once BHW gets their Magnum upper out you can make a go of it but like most lefties you will more than likely have to shoot that right port deal just like I do. The LH railed uppers I shoot are fabulous for smoothness but the other 10 I shot are all right handed as are all but one of my bolt guns. If I were doing a 6.8 case type I would just do the 6X6.8 that BHW makes. It is almost as good as a 243 for velocity and is one tack driving machine plus a coyote killer deluxe. Of course a wildcat done like you want would get my attention. I have my pop corn out and am waiting for the curtain to go up. Greg PS: Welcome to the board. Lots of good guys and stuff here.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2013 17:53:02 GMT -8
I ran a 6x45 AR15 w/20"bl and had no problem dropping antelope to 300 yards. I built a 6x45 on a bolt action and have no issues to 400 yards on antelope, the 80-95 gr bullets will punch through 3/16" soft steel at that range. Last years antelope were dropped at 244 & 369 yards w/my 6x45 and 85g sgkhp & 95g nosler HBT bullets, 1 shot each, neither trotted past 40 yards then dropped dead. My coyote load is the 65g vmax in front of ramshot exterminator and flat out drops em at 600 yards. Of course I like them under 100 yards when calling, but when I need to I can pop them 500-700 yards w/ease. The same load w/the 58g vmax is 150 faster and flops them as easy. I am now building a 6x6.8 AR15 w/BHW 22" bbl.
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Post by djmfl on Sept 7, 2013 11:02:38 GMT -8
Let me take a step back and try to answer the why to the standard barrel vs the light weight. I had an LTR that Andy did for me a year ago in 264lbc. I noticed some group problems after about three round, rapid fire and for some reason it was really stretching my brass. Andy requested that I return it to him for inspection and he saw a slight issue with the chamber. He put on a new, standard weight barrel because they had them going on a production run. The weight difference is so little that I hardly know that it's not an LTR profile. It deadly accurate and my groups are supper tight. I use this one for deer hunting and hogs in Florida. The 264 with a 120 Sierra Gameking answers all the questions of effective use on strong, larger animals. DRT eveytime! Of course, shot placement is critical but becomes even more so with anything lighter. I have a 264 bull barrel for Prairie Dogs. Why 2 of the same? Why not when they are the proper tools for different jobs. Plus, same dies, brass, power, primers. They both love the same load so, not being the neighbor, rich, retired guy, Some economy of scale is necessary. I'm thinking of building a 6x68 as I have a stripped lower in the safe begging to be let out to play with his buddies!
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