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Post by 20ozjolt on Feb 7, 2013 12:20:25 GMT -8
advice for NW Oregon.. all i have right now is my .556
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Post by The Wolverine on Feb 7, 2013 12:36:38 GMT -8
What critters do you want to hunt? With the right projectiles, a 5.56, or a 223 is no slouch. I have killed hogs up to around 300 pounds with one shot. Be warned, hunting is a black hole (no offense BHW) that you throw money into, but dang it is fun, and a great family activity also.  Paul |
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Post by 20ozjolt on Feb 8, 2013 3:51:42 GMT -8
well i have my .22 rifle i plan on using that for rabbits and such, will have a bolt or lever gun soon
deer elk hog ... things i would want to eat...
would go coyote hunting if it were to help out a farm.
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Post by skinnyb82 on Feb 11, 2013 13:17:03 GMT -8
First thing I'm gonna do with my .264-LBC-AR is go hunt some of those damn menace coyotes. I know my 5.56/.223 will do the job but a .264/6.5mm will devastate a coyote, couldn't care less about the hide. I REALLY hate those things after one stared me down while walking right down the sidewalk in front of my house (w/in city limits...can't discharge a firearm w/in city limits in IL). They've even made it into Chicago proper. WGN just had a story about how a pair of coyotes ate someone's dachshund...they've eaten a few of my neighbors' pets as well (I tell those idiots to not leave their pets outside, that there's packs of coyotes that roam around in broad daylight, but what do I know?). I don't have a hunter safety card (plan on getting one, finding a field day is a PITA), therefore cannot get a hunting license so I'm just gonna take my rifle out to my neighbor's 30 acres (I live in the flatlands of west-central IL).
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Post by varminterror on Jan 12, 2015 17:24:06 GMT -8
5.56/223rem isn't legal in all states for deer, and I'm not certain that it's legal in ANY state for Elk. Hogs with the 223rem are "no brainers" - pun intended - as the behind-the-ear-shot with a 223 is absolute lights out when you cut the brain off from the rest of the body. Deer with a 223rem is possible, but it's a high risk, short range proposition. I've taken an even dozen smaller deer down south with the 223rem and 22-250, and under 100yrds with very careful shot selection and equally scrutinizing bullet selection, it works, but it's not what I'd say is good for a beginning hunter.
I'd never be caught hauling a 223/5.56 after elk. I can't really say that there are any AR cartridges that I would, short of the WSSM work that Mike Mili is doing, and only then, I'm marginal on the idea. I briefly had a 243WSSM Dtech upper that I would take after elk in a pinch, but it wouldn't be my first, or even 10th choice.
223rem is ideal for coyotes, but gets a little 'out classed' for range even when you get into the pronghorn "antelope" class if they go over 80lbs or so.
Bullet selection is absolutely critical, across the board.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 12, 2015 19:00:42 GMT -8
Oddly enough any centerfire rifle is elk legal in Arizona.
AR and elk mix OK with a little restraint without the use of a WSSM. The new A-30 is certainly elk capable as are the 6X6.8 and the 264 LBC. I know that a lot of them have been killed by 30-30's over the years. If I fet drawn here I'll be hard pressed to pick one off the rack.
Greg
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Post by varminterror on Jan 12, 2015 19:51:17 GMT -8
I didn't know about Arizona in particular, but I assumed that there would be SOME state that allows 223rem for elk, not sure what the OP's home state of Oregon might allow.
I suppose also, for full disclosure, that I should admit that I've been a follower of Pondoro Taylor's philosophy about impact momentum for many years. It's just against my nature to throw small caliber bullets after 600lb+ game. In fact, I just rebarreled my "elk rifle" - formerly a 30-06 that had knocked down a handful of elk DRT with no argument - up to a 338-06, just for the bullet weight. A lot of things can work well enough, but if a 300yrd shot on an Imperial might be on the menu, I want 150grn or more flying after him.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 13, 2015 5:53:13 GMT -8
I didn't know about Arizona in particular, but I assumed that there would be SOME state that allows 223rem for elk, not sure what the OP's home state of Oregon might allow. I suppose also, for full disclosure, that I should admit that I've been a follower of Pondoro Taylor's philosophy about impact momentum for many years. It's just against my nature to throw small caliber bullets after 600lb+ game. In fact, I just rebarreled my "elk rifle" - formerly a 30-06 that had knocked down a handful of elk DRT with no argument - up to a 338-06, just for the bullet weight. A lot of things can work well enough, but if a 300yrd shot on an Imperial might be on the menu, I want 150grn or more flying after him. LOL. You are the guy that they invented the Bushmaster and SOCOM for. Not the longest range cartidges but old PD would approve. Of course you know who a good barrel sourece would be for either of those. Greg |
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Post by varminterror on Jan 22, 2015 8:47:58 GMT -8
Funny you should mention the 45cals! When the Bushmaster came out, I jumped on it. I grew up on a 45-70, so my immediate reaction was that I could get the 450B to perform like a 45-70 in a gas gun. Unfortunately, at that time, there just weren't many good .452" bullets available suited for those velocities, so I only had it for about a year, before the lack of proper bullets suitable for longer range impacts on game had me looking elsewhere. I sold off the barrel for a 458 Socom tube, and started pushing pressures. Shooting the same bullet out of my .45-70 and my 458S was a bit of an advantage, and I worked up loads in the Socom that equaled the muzzle velocity to my Guide Gun, meaning I could use the same range cards (having Mil-dot reticles on both, also). I ran it for a couple years, then a buddy of mine fell in love with it on a hog hunting trip together and insisted he wanted to buy the whole kit-and-caboodle from me. I still reload his rounds, but alas, the only 458's I have in my safe have "win mag" and "Lott" on their brass these days.
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