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Post by gunmutt on Apr 7, 2016 18:01:12 GMT -8
Have savage action in hand now to pick a chamber for a barrel. The lapua is better brass but reports say it is harder to tune and complete opposite with the 6 creed. This rifle will be setup for tactical style match using AI mags at ranges of 100 yards to 1250. Any and all advice would be appreciated.
Also any advice with the parent cartridges of the these 6.5x47L and 6.5 Creed are worth noting as we;;
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 7, 2016 18:31:45 GMT -8
I didn't know that they were doing the 6X47 but it isn't harder to tune than any other. The brass issue is one that Ritch is very adamant about. Apparently he's right so I would go with it over the Creedmoor They both will do 1200 but don't rule out 260 Remington should you decide to consider a 6.5 version.
Greg
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Post by gunmutt on Apr 8, 2016 4:29:45 GMT -8
The 260 has drawbacks similar to the 243win in my opinion. Hunting low round count they excel but for extensive shooting they tend to erode the throat fairly quick compared to the standard 6.5x47L and the 6.5 creed. The 260AI did correct the issues but BHW does not chamber it and I don't have deep pockets to send a blank off to a gunsmith. Ideally the 6 SLR is a very interesting cartridge. It changes the shoulder and extends the neck of the 243win. This is a huge advantage and 243win brass is affordable and generally good quality with various brass manufacturers.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 8, 2016 6:14:17 GMT -8
The SLR seemed to last about 500-700 rounds longer than equivalent 243's from what I have read. And the 260 would certainly wear out a tube faster than the 6 Creed or the 6 Lapua or the 6.5 versions simply because of powder burned. It does have the good brass like the Lapua and that is a plus.
I wish AI chamberings were easier to obtain but the demand just isn't there in large number barrel turners. They are just too esoteric for dies, gauges and minute spec differences to be a good mainstream production item apparently.
Greg
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Post by gunmutt on Apr 8, 2016 16:30:28 GMT -8
I only wish I would have got in on a bolt action barrel with BHW when they first came available. Back then they would be willing to even rent a reamer for just about any caliber a customer wanted. I do understand why they limit current offerings. No sense in having a business if you cant make money. One off chamberings take time out of what the mainstream wants.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 8, 2016 16:39:43 GMT -8
I only wish I would have got in on a bolt action barrel with BHW when they first came available. Back then they would be willing to even rent a reamer for just about any caliber a customer wanted. I do understand why they limit current offerings. No sense in having a business if you cant make money. One off chamberings take time out of what the mainstream wants. You know it never hurts to call. Occasionally they might have a reamer handy that's not mainstream. Greg
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2016 4:37:51 GMT -8
Have savage action in hand now to pick a chamber for a barrel. The lapua is better brass but reports say it is harder to tune and complete opposite with the 6 creed. This rifle will be setup for tactical style match using AI mags at ranges of 100 yards to 1250. Any and all advice would be appreciated. Also any advice with the parent cartridges of the these 6.5x47L and 6.5 Creed are worth noting as we;; In my opinion, and remember it is MY opinion. The 6.5 Creedmoor shouldn't even be on the list as "go to" long range cartridges. The only source of GOOD brass is to make it. With only 2 companies offering brass the selection is pretty limited. If you do choose the Creedmoor get ready to spend a considerable amount on a large amount of brass. The cull rate will be up there around 50%. Add that in with the cost of tooling and making brass for this one gets expensive fast. The 6.5x47 Lapua has the most going for it right out of the gate. Brass is a no brainer, but remember it's single source. Brass cost from Lapua can be what ever the market will bare. The cost can fluctuate like the gold market. Also remember if your getting into long range shooting your going to go through a lot of brass. The cost of tooling for the Lapua is way up there as well. It's a chambering only supported by 1 company. Another little item to ponder over is Pressure. Have you ever asked yourself why the Creedmoor or the 6.5x47 Lapua have more speed than the .308 cased variants? The reason, is because the engineers who designed them knew they had to compete with a tried and true design. The only way to do that with a smaller case is to run the pressures up. Increases in pressure change the results dramatically. There are several factors to consider with 60,000 PSI chambering's. Brass life, barrel life and equipment life. Brass life at 60'000 is definitely going to be shorter than at 55,000. We all know the higher the pressure numbers are the more the brass moves. Even if you only get 1 more loading from the lower pressure cartridge the savings can and does add up fast. Barrel life can be looked at in several ways. Myself, I look at barrels as a consumable, just like powder and bullets. You use it for it's intended purpose and when it's not doing that to my expectations it gets replaced. Plain and simple barrels don't last forever. Back when I was shooting Benchrest I was going through a minimum of a barrel a month. What I'm getting at is, barrel life shouldn't even be figured into the equation if you want to be competitive. Equipment life is another downfall of higher pressure. The higher the pressure, the more fatigue on the rifle it's self. Bolt lugs suffer the most. Without constant attention you will find galling of the lugs as well as the lug seats. This can be eliminated by a constant addition of a good grade of grease. The one thing to remember, the higher pressure is the faster the fatigue accelerates. With all the above factors considered, The cartridge I shoot the most is a 260 Remington. It's not fancy and it's not the darling of the day. But at the end of the day it's still there and will be for a long time to come. You may get a few hundred more rounds out of the Creed or the 6.5x47 but when you factor in all the plus and minus the old 260 shines pretty bright.
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Post by gunmutt on Apr 9, 2016 16:04:34 GMT -8
The 260 is a fine cartridge but I have a 6.5x55. So basically I would be setting up a different rifle but with the same results. My goal is have a short action ergonomically setup to be able to shoot in various positions at long range. The sixes get me a low recoil and in a new package. Both ballistically and platform wise.
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Post by gunmutt on Apr 11, 2016 16:45:24 GMT -8
Okay so since this is my first short action bolt gun and am wanting to use to learn/train I have decided on the 47L case. I currently have a 6.5 Swede and it will beat the daylights out of you after a long session. I wanted something with lighter recoil, easy to load to mag length, good barrel life with ability to chase the lands, high quality brass, and very flat shooting. The 47L brass is known as very high quality and fills the needs I am looking at. Now during my research I have become torn the standard 6.5 version and the 6. Both are used for the exact same result I am looking for. My Swede shoots lights out using a 140 gr Berger vld hybrid. So should I stay with the tried and true 6.5 for easy load development or neck down to use the 6mm. Noting that barrels are consumables I can always hone my skills shooting then when the barrel is shot out move down or will I gain anything edge wise by going for the 6 now?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 11, 2016 16:57:21 GMT -8
JBM is your friend. I'd start punching in what ifs and make my call. The 6 does have more bullets available. ....just say'n.
Greg
BTW I just turned a 25-06 into a 6X45. Easy peasey. (VBG)
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