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Post by qualityfirearms on Jun 4, 2011 13:07:22 GMT -8
I'm building a new AR-15 to use on coyotes but want to know what would be better the .223 or the new .204 Ruger . A lot of confusion out there. Some say the 204 is great and others say it's not enough. Any help would be great. I've been using 223 and it works but have hear good things about the 204 fast, flat, low recoil, able to see impact
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Post by toolsofthetrade on Jun 4, 2011 14:08:12 GMT -8
you will have a larger selection of ammo and bullets in .223 the .204 is a lighter round for the most part, but seems to work fine with the right bullets, I have heard reports (some local here) of good hits on coyotes with the .204 that didint get a good kill, shot placement and bullet selection are more important with the lighter calibers IMOHO
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 4, 2011 16:31:47 GMT -8
I love the velocity of the 20's and own four of them (20 Tac and 204's X 3) and I think that with a 39 grain pill at 3700 you are good to go.
The 223 can be loaded up with a heavier 50-55 grainer pushed hard and I think that for ranges under 300 it would be an even toss up. I think past that the 20 will start giving up some but with good bullet placement, as usual, it would do fine. It's the marginal hits that might not do as well IMHO.
I haven't shot any coyotes with mine but the PD's I hit were reactive to the 20's but further out the 223 seemed to be a bit more chunk oriented.
Greg
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Post by qualityfirearms on Jun 4, 2011 17:41:38 GMT -8
Thanks for the input. Sounds like I should stick with what I have been shooting the .223. Next ques. is the Blackhole barrel in 1-8 twist seems tight and for heavy bullets. Usually for coyotes your shooting in the 50 grain. What is the bullet grain range that works with the blackhole barrels. With the rifling they use can you shoot a broader range of bullets
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Post by toolsofthetrade on Jun 4, 2011 17:54:48 GMT -8
Ive been told that the BHW 1-8's will shoot down to 50-55gr bullets, maybe less, in my 1-8 I like to run 77gr for longs range shooting, more umph further out.
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Post by qualityfirearms on Jun 4, 2011 17:59:53 GMT -8
Thanks. Usually barrels a real picky with the weight you are shooting. That is why I am looking at the bhw barrels. I've heard they at not as picky and can shoot a broader range of bullet weight does anyone know if this is true.
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Post by hawsepiper on Jun 5, 2011 4:55:03 GMT -8
I have been very happy with the performance of the 40 gr v-maxs in the 204. I just got a second 223 that is going to be used for yotes. Other 223 is way to heavy to carry. The new rig is a 16" bh barrel built up by Scott from specialized dynamics. I've got loads set up from 55 gr up to 80 gr to test in my next off time. Was concerned over not having enough o-give left on the 80s to stay put due to the seating depth to feed in the mag but seems to plenty just in loading phase, will see how they due during the range time.
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Post by toolsofthetrade on Jun 5, 2011 7:29:23 GMT -8
the 77's I load in mine are magazine friendly, and have shot a 1/2" group at 200yds, but only in certain mags, really have to watch mag length to properly apply longer bullets, different mags will allow different COAL.
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Post by qualityfirearms on Jun 5, 2011 7:48:44 GMT -8
The ques. I still have though is the 223 better for yotes or the 204. Also barrel length right now I use a 24" bull barrel with a 1-9 twist for longer shot performance. Can I get the same performance out of a BHW barrel at a shorter length
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Post by toolsofthetrade on Jun 5, 2011 9:01:07 GMT -8
My personal opinion is yes.
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Post by dr69er on Jun 5, 2011 10:46:08 GMT -8
I would likely go with the .223, if only for the reason of easy availability of various factory varmint and yote loads, nearly all will be loaded to 2.260" or less in most factory loadings.
You can find many .223 loads in just about every Walmart,Local G'Shop,Cabela's,etc.
Not so w/ the 204 Ruger, at least not yet.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 5, 2011 12:26:07 GMT -8
The ques. I still have though is the 223 better for yotes or the 204. Also barrel length right now I use a 24" bull barrel with a 1-9 twist for longer shot performance. Can I get the same performance out of a BHW barrel at a shorter length The rifling style of the BHW barrel will normally yield a higher velocity due to less drag on the bullet as it goes down the bore. As to how much that is I have no idea. I have not had the pleasure to shoot a BWH barrel side by side with another rifle and compare the speeds. Now can you cut 4" off your barrel length and pick up the velocity loss? Probably you will get some back but I don't think all of it. Given that you are shooting 50's on coyotes I don't thing giving up a smidgen of velocity would be an issue. For speed and ease of handling the shorter/lighter tube will pay off IMHO. Greg
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 13:08:07 GMT -8
I'm building a new AR-15 to use on coyotes but want to know what would be better the .223 or the new .204 Ruger . A lot of confusion out there. Some say the 204 is great and others say it's not enough. Any help would be great. I've been using 223 and it works but have hear good things about the 204 fast, flat, low recoil, able to see impact I can attest that the .204 ruger will kill coyote's dead
this one taken at 330 yards with my trusty ole CZ 527 in .204 ruger with SWFA 10x42 scope shooting 32 grain Hornady VMax's, This Yote had no problem dying instantly MV 4225 fps and 944 ft-lbs and at 500 yards that bullet is still moving at 1899 fps while energy is 256 and only 29" of drop! which is about the same energy as a 9mm at 50 yards
The 204 ruger is a great round
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2015 13:11:29 GMT -8
PS if you want some more yardage shoot the 40 grainer's
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