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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 24, 2011 15:10:37 GMT -8
Newbie here with a quick question. I have always wanted to hunt Whitetail with an AR and cant decide on a caliber. I'm trying to decide between the 264lbc and the 6x45. Whats everybodys thought?
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Jul 24, 2011 15:34:31 GMT -8
Newbie here with a quick question. I have always wanted to hunt Whitetail with an AR and cant decide on a caliber. I'm trying to decide between the 264lbc and the 6x45. Whats everybodys thought? Do you plan to handload? Or buy factory? Honestly neither in my book would matter if you handload however i'd give the 6x45 a nod over the 264lbc for deer only because I use the 6.8. Different parent cases and therefore different costs associated. I'd go with the cheaper method. However if I was buying factory then the 264 would get the nod. Just one mans opinion.
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 24, 2011 15:42:31 GMT -8
I plan on reloading and already have a 260 Rem bolt gun so I'm a little partial to the 264 caliber but do not own a 6mm. I guess i have not researched enough to figure out which is cheaper.
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 24, 2011 15:54:59 GMT -8
I'm leaning towards the 264, am i right in thinking the 6.5 grendel brass will work? And also it looks like most load data i find is based on target type bullets. Is there a reason nobody is using something like the 125 Nosler partition or ballistic tip. In my thinking the ballsitic tip somewhere in the mid to lower 2000 fps range would be about perfect for deer sized game.
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Jul 24, 2011 17:08:27 GMT -8
In short the Grendel brass is good to go. Some of the other reloaders will confirm the specifics.
As far as loading the NBT or partitions. Most people loading and posting loads are shooting for accuracy and not for practical purposes like hunting. I say practical because I will sight in with the load I will use to hunt with. I do not need thousands of rounds loaded for accuracy only. Not my comp gun. I would think that 2000 mid range is a decent number for the projectiles you're looking at. My 100 gr factory accubonds are roughly 2600 to 2700 out of my 16" first edition 1/11 6.8spc BHW barrel.
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 24, 2011 18:04:52 GMT -8
Now you have me rethinking the 6.8, seems for a hunting only round it would be better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2011 19:22:17 GMT -8
Now you have me rethinking the 6.8, seems for a hunting only round it would be better. I have been watching this thread as it has progressed. I have first hand knowledge of the 6.8, 264 LBC and 6X45. I own at least 1 of each. If you are looking for a hunting round consider what you are wanting from the cartridge. If you are looking for a flat shooting round you need to look at how far is far enough or the limit of your ability. The next thing to look at is do you want to reload or buy factory ammo. Some of the tools are a mail order only proposition for the 6.8, 6.5 and 6X45. The other thing to look at is bullet choice. The 6.8 or .277 dia. is lacking on the bottom end. At least the weights that are truly usable in an AR. The 6.5 has more of a choice in bullet weights and the BC is not even in the same ballpark. Last is the 6mm. It has the most choice of any of the other calibers. Light weight varmint bullets to heavy game bullets. If you look at just the bullets you can use in standard magazines. The 6mm is the one to beat. It has high BC and close to the same weight as the other 2 calibers. Know if you want to have it all, speed, high BC and bullet weight. Look closely at the 243 LBC. You can shoot 105 gr. bullets with a BC over .500 at over 2750 FPS. None of the above will even come close to those ballistics. It stays supersonic past 1100 yards and has over 1800 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle and 400 at 1000 yards. Loading for the 243 LBC is as straight forward as the 6X45. Just run a 6.5 case in a 6mm PPC full length die and you have it. The short fat case solves all the problems usually found in AR cartridges LENGTH. About the only cartridge that will do better in the AR 15 platform is the .243 WSSM which requires a total custom upper.
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 25, 2011 12:41:26 GMT -8
I just read some of the other threads related to the 243lbc, that looks very interesting as well. If I understand correctly I would still need the 6.5 Grendel brass and just use the 6mm PPC sizing die load and shoot? Sounds too easy. Most of my hunting is in south/central Georgia where most shots will be inside 100 yds, so looking for that 600 yd cartridge is interesting but probably not required. Thats the reason I was looking more toward the 6.8.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 25, 2011 12:58:44 GMT -8
I just read some of the other threads related to the 243lbc, that looks very interesting as well. If I understand correctly I would still need the 6.5 Grendel brass and just use the 6mm PPC sizing die load and shoot? Sounds too easy. Most of my hunting is in south/central Georgia where most shots will be inside 100 yds, so looking for that 600 yd cartridge is interesting but probably not required. Thats the reason I was looking more toward the 6.8. It might sound too easy but that's all it takes. Run that Grendel in get that 243 LBC out!! Just like making a 20 PRACTICAL out of a 223. Greg
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 25, 2011 14:14:29 GMT -8
On BHW's site I dont see a chambering for the 243LBC. Am I missing something?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 25, 2011 15:14:30 GMT -8
On BHW's site I dont see a chambering for the 243LBC. Am I missing something? Yes you are. Go to the web site and click on BARREL CALIBERS in the upper right corner. It will list all the chamberings. The 243 LBC is a common one. Some of the other custom chambers are being worked with as I type this, like the 20 LBC, but the one you want is out and about!! Greg
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 26, 2011 13:14:15 GMT -8
Got it thanks. I think I'm going for the 264 though.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 26, 2011 13:23:43 GMT -8
Got it thanks. I think I'm going for the 264 though. I spent all that time tracking it down and you go new "old school" on me?? Nevertheless, I am looking forward to a shake down test on the new barrel once you get it running. Greg
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 26, 2011 16:57:56 GMT -8
Nevermind I'm sold on the 243, i will be calling and ordering tomorrow. I think i need 1 more post for he 10% off though .
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Post by jimmyswan on Jul 26, 2011 17:07:24 GMT -8
Probably in wrong section but since we are discussing here already, is there a major difference in brass Hornady vs Lapua? And is there some info somewhere on handload recipes for the 243LBC?
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