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Post by cjensen on Jan 28, 2012 3:49:32 GMT -8
I have been informed that my shoulder is in advanced stages of arthritis and is already completely bone to bone. A shoulder replacement is in the foreseeable future. I am in the process of choosing a caliber for deer hunting for the number one purpose of minimum recoil. I have looked around and it seems the 223 with triple shocks has the most advantages. Anybody here with any insight on this choice?
Practice ammo is available and cheap
No need to reload practice ammo
Low recoil
No need to worry about finding all the brass
Thanks, 1 post down 9 to go.
Carl
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Post by The Wolverine on Jan 28, 2012 5:54:47 GMT -8
Shoot off of the other shoulder.
If that is not option, I would shoot 60 gr partitions, they are devastating hunting bullets.
I like the terminal ballistics of the Barnes that I have seen on hogs and deer, I just have had no luck getting them to shoot from my guns.
About the best I have gotten with the TSX is about 2'' groups at 100 yards, with the Partitions 1/2'' to 3/4'' groups are the norm, and my 243LBC with 100gr Partitions just shot a 100yard 1/8'' group.
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Post by cjensen on Jan 28, 2012 6:48:29 GMT -8
Actually 2" at 100 is good enough at 50 yards. About what I would see.
I have a very low confidence with Nosler PT's. Bad experience with them.
How's the recoil on the 243LBC ?
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Post by The Wolverine on Jan 28, 2012 7:41:04 GMT -8
2'' is the best I have gotten, some do a lot worse.
It does not seem to kick any harder than a 223, my 10 year-old daughter shot it, and she did not notice a difference either.
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 9:03:35 GMT -8
I have been shooting 70gr TSX below MOA consistently using LC x1 brass + varget , H4895 or W748. I do not do anything special other than segregating the brass, reload and shoot.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 9:45:31 GMT -8
I have been shooting 70gr TSX below MOA consistently using LC x1 brass + varget , H4895 or W748. I do not do anything special other than segregating the brass, reload and shoot. Lets see some pictures of those groups.  |
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Post by cjensen on Jan 28, 2012 10:43:42 GMT -8
Can you tell me how far from the lands (polys?) the tsx is at magazine COL with the BHW chamber? Do the barnes tsx's do alright with the polygon rifling?
Thanks
Carl
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Jan 28, 2012 11:28:38 GMT -8
Can you tell me how far from the lands (polys?) the tsx is at magazine COL with the BHW chamber? Do the barnes tsx's do alright with the polygon rifling? Thanks Carl Don't have the answer to the first question since im not able to physically measure them ATM. However my conjecture on poly rifling and Barnes bullets is they are inconsistently stabilized the way they should be and are proven through conventional rifling. Using a shaw blanked Wilson combat 4 groove and shilen blanked white oaks have shown very good accuracy (1/2-3/4 moa). That being said twist rate plays an even greater role coupled with the rifling style. These all copper bullet types being longer require little bit different twists unless the bullets are designed around a particular barrel style. Food for thought. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 18:35:11 GMT -8
Go With the NP like Paul said its a great bullet and you will be under MOA with the Noslers and it won't take 2 days to get the copper foulings out of everything like with the Barnes. Just my 2 cents
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2012 22:26:40 GMT -8
Nothing really special. An RRA national match from the bench...   |
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Post by cjensen on Jan 29, 2012 2:37:47 GMT -8
Nice shooting there shotzero !!
I'm more concerned on how the Barnes behave with the polygon rifling.
Barnes bullets seem to have a list of issues that make them not play well with others.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2012 8:40:48 GMT -8
I am shooting ok with other barrels too. There is not more fouling than any other bullet that I can notice and I have been shooting them for years in all sort of barrels, calibers and grains. The partitions and BTips are great bullets too.
Just try them out and pick what works for your loads and the intended game/purpose. That is my recommendation to
everyone with any bullet.
Time in load development pays off in the end you will end up with a couple of nice hunting loads for each barrel that you are going to love whatever the bullet + powder combination.
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Post by Win75 on Feb 6, 2012 9:13:00 GMT -8
I use Nosler 60 grain partitions in my .223 and 100 grain partitions in my .243. Both give very good accuracy and little recoil. Knock down power with both has been excellent also.
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Post by bcspider on Feb 25, 2012 11:54:47 GMT -8
That should do the trick.
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Post by grgrmp on Apr 18, 2012 20:15:50 GMT -8
My son took Bushbuck, Warthog and Impala with 53gn Triple Shocks from a .223 when we went to ZA. I was worried about using bullets that light but that was as heavy as the T/C barrel would stabilize. Our PH said no-problem, he has clients that regularly take Zebra with the 62 gn Barnes.
If I were in your shoes I would seek out a 1 in 7 twist .223 (5.56) and work up loads for the 62 or 70 gn TSX as long as that combo is legal where you live. For states that require calibers greater than .224 for big game (like TX and WY) I would consider 6mm TCU or 6.5 TCU. You could do that economically in a T/C single shot or spend a bit more and have a mini-Mauser re-barreled.
In any case, stick with the Barnes bullets - the terminal ballistics are amazing and (for me at least) the accuracy is great, but I find that the groups are best near the top of the pressure range. When devloping loads for the Barnes I work up (CAREFULLY) until the load starts to flatten primers - that is usually the sweet spot for group size in my experience.
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