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Post by knife21 on Oct 11, 2013 6:00:31 GMT -8
Just finished break in on 18" std. profile bbl. on a Mega upper. SLR rifleworks adj. gas block, it shoots 90 gr.TNT's 110's
into .500 all day but anything made by Nosler 85Etips,100 Accubonds Well they pattern not group, as in 3-5" tried changing seating depth, powders etc. Am I stuck with a two bullet barrel?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 11, 2013 7:23:16 GMT -8
Just finished break in on 18" std. profile bbl. on a Mega upper. SLR rifleworks adj. gas block, it shoots 90 gr.TNT's 110's into .500 all day but anything made by Nosler 85Etips,100 Accubonds Well they pattern not group, as in 3-5" tried changing seating depth, powders etc. Am I stuck with a two bullet barrel? I have heard of the Accubonds not shooting well in many 68 barrels. The 85's are long but I would think they would work OK if you are having good luck with the 110's. Ritch should be on later today and he might shed some light on this one. Greg |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 11, 2013 14:54:27 GMT -8
Ritch and I talked about this issue and compared notes on what we had shot and seen in the past. We often have found that while our barrels are literally made back to back his will shoot a bullet/load very well and mine won't and back and forth. We both always find a couple that shoot lights out the same. Our way of rounding up the strays was through more load development. This at times entailed five or six powders with lots of components down range. WE could usually get them to work adequately but found, in some instances, some barrels just won't shoot some bullets.
This is a terrible time in the supply world for shooters that have not laid in a stash of components. I would try a powder two steps above or below, per the charts, on those bullets and go with that. Staring about 1.5 grains below MAX and going up 0.3 grains at a time. I routinely shoot two five shot groups at each level. Ritch shoots three shotters when he is working up initial tests for himself and five when he thinks he will share like the new wildcat rounds.
Keep us posted. The group shooting 0.5 show you have a shooting barrel now it is just a matter of finding its' appetite.
Greg
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Post by knife21 on Oct 12, 2013 14:34:19 GMT -8
Shot 10 more loads today, all 3 shot since E-tips are scarce(thank God for the shooters pro shop) 2015 and Benchmark had the only sub 3" groups. 29.7 2015 shot right at 1" so there is hope. BM has some wiggle room so I'll jump up some there to 31+. All these were shot in FED. brass w/450 primers. Will reshoot w/SSA and 71/2's to see what shakes out. Also will shoot some N-133 with both sets of brass and primers.
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Post by knife21 on Oct 18, 2013 6:38:14 GMT -8
This bullet and barrel seem to like speed,as in 2995 avg with an unprintable load of 2200. Shows no signs of excess pressure, no swipes etc. Shoots right at 3/4". CCI 450's shoot 4" with same charge. Will try to find a combo for the Accubonds too. A 18" ARP barrel shot with same load same day avg. 2890.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 18, 2013 14:16:04 GMT -8
This bullet and barrel seem to like speed,as in 2995 avg with an unprintable load of 2200. Shows no signs of excess pressure, no swipes etc. Shoots right at 3/4". CCI 450's shoot 4" with same charge. Will try to find a combo for the Accubonds too. A 18" ARP barrel shot with same load same day avg. 2890. That seems to be something that is seen often. Many times these barrels like to be at the top end and inch for inch they will be faster than a regular Enfield barrel. Greg |
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Post by aspp on Oct 21, 2013 11:37:23 GMT -8
I have been working with the 85 Etips for a while now, and I can not make them shoot adequately in any of 4 calibers. They are insanely jump sensitive, and do not like high pressure loads. If you don't mind them being on the slow side (2750ish) 28gr of RL7 with a Fed 205 primer seated to 2.27 was consistently 1/2" in 2 different guns. IIRC, 60fps ES and 40+fps SD. I have 2 boxes of them sitting here collecting dust until I have more time and cash to try and get them up around 2900fps.
The 100gr accubonds shoot very well for me, 29gr of AA2200, CC450, 2.295 COAL, SSA brass. 2800fps, 3/8" groups in my 18" AR.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Oct 21, 2013 11:57:10 GMT -8
I have been working with the 85 Etips for a while now, and I can not make them shoot adequately in any of 4 calibers. They are insanely jump sensitive, and do not like high pressure loads. If you don't mind them being on the slow side (2750ish) 28gr of RL7 with a Fed 205 primer seated to 2.27 was consistently 1/2" in 2 different guns. IIRC, 60fps ES and 40+fps SD. I have 2 boxes of them sitting here collecting dust until I have more time and cash to try and get them up around 2900fps. The 100gr accubonds shoot very well for me, 29gr of AA2200, CC450, 2.295 COAL, SSA brass. 2800fps, 3/8" groups in my 18" AR. I think you have found what many have found across the country. They may shoot OK but they rarely will do the OMG groups we all lust after. Greg |
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Post by aspp on Oct 24, 2013 6:08:35 GMT -8
Greg, the sad part is that if you can get the bullets up to speed and hit a pig or other tough animal, they function much better than the Barnes (which I despise for many reasons). But I cant get both speed and accuracy out of them, you have to run them very slow to be accurate, or you push them hard and get your speed. Either way, they copper foul worse than any other bullet I have ever shot. An interesting thing, the 130gr Etip will stabilize in a 1-11 twist gun, and I was able to push them up to 2300fps with AA2200, H335 should be good for another 150fps. Makes for one hell of a brush load where you have to shoot through some scrub, with ranges <100yds.
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Dec 21, 2013 8:20:01 GMT -8
Greg, the sad part is that if you can get the bullets up to speed and hit a pig or other tough animal, they function much better than the Barnes (which I despise for many reasons). But I cant get both speed and accuracy out of them, you have to run them very slow to be accurate, or you push them hard and get your speed. Either way, they copper foul worse than any other bullet I have ever shot. An interesting thing, the 130gr Etip will stabilize in a 1-11 twist gun, and I was able to push them up to 2300fps with AA2200, H335 should be good for another 150fps. Makes for one hell of a brush load where you have to shoot through some scrub, with ranges <100yds. Maybe with the new partnership between SSA and Nosler, we will see the testing done on these 85gr bullets, especially for those of our friends behind enemy lines in Pb-Free states. The go to bullet in my previous 3 6.8s from BHW were the 100 and 110gr Accubond. Both shot extraordinarily well, just factory commercial/tactical loads from SSA. No time back then to test ladder loads; just factory. After the new year, I plan to fix that with a new 18" lightweight mid barrel from BHW. |
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Post by aspp on Feb 4, 2014 15:46:29 GMT -8
We can only hope SSA/Nosler will step up and do a little more R&D on these. Or at least produce some more loaded ammo!
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Feb 4, 2014 17:14:07 GMT -8
We can only hope SSA/Nosler will step up and do a little more R&D on these. Or at least produce some more loaded ammo! I don't shoot much factory ammo in anything. What I mostly look for is new bullets that fill what I perceive as gaps. I just want them to start putting out components. I do believe that the partnership will pay off in the long run but that the start appears to have been somewhat disjointed up until now. Greg |
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Post by aspp on Feb 5, 2014 12:14:45 GMT -8
I only shoot my reloads unless Im trouble shooting a gun issue. But my thought process is that, more available loaded ammo, more interest, more interest, more manufacturers, and lower costs. Not to mention I don't mind buying once fired brass to save a few bucks...
One of the biggest industry issues right now is lack of ammo and components, more manufacturers of any ammo is a good thing, even if they price it slightly higher than princess cut diamonds....
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Feb 5, 2014 15:41:34 GMT -8
I only shoot my reloads unless Im trouble shooting a gun issue. But my thought process is that, more available loaded ammo, more interest, more interest, more manufacturers, and lower costs. Not to mention I don't mind buying once fired brass to save a few bucks... One of the biggest industry issues right now is lack of ammo and components, more manufacturers of any ammo is a good thing, even if they price it slightly higher than princess cut diamonds.... I have all the diamonds I need. Still haven't got enough bullets. I started competitive shooting in 1976 and averaged 300 rounds/week in one shooting sport or anitger until 1998. Now it is only that much a month. Factory ammunition has never been affordable at those levels and tailoring it to my guns has been necessary for consistent performance. IPSC got me into thinking in the thousandsffor supplies and I do believe I am still stuck in that mide. The last factory stuff I bought was in 2005 when I ended up buying three 204 bolt guns. I wanted a factory baseline to judge my handloads against. I haven't even bought 22RF in the past 10 years as it bought several cases before that. I use it in my conversion kit and to just brush up on my competition guns if I have laid off a while. Greg |
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