6mm HAGAR

[joebush]

Anyone compared this to 6x6.8? It looks very similar.

[GLSHOOTER]

Oct 12, 2012 13:44:32 GMT -8 joebush said:

Anyone compared this to 6x6.8? It looks very similar.

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The 6mm Hagar is the round John Harrison came up with when he was looking for more performance from the AR15 space gun at 600yds. The case is formed from .30 Rem brass. The shoulder is pushed back and the shoulder changed to 30 degrees. The neck is then cut and trimmed to length and the brass fire formed.

It is LONGER than the 6X6.8. Hornady is now making the brass on a very LIMITED run. I have not seen any factory loadings as this is a target round by design and has was not , by intention, AFAIK to be used outside of that environment. Would you gain anything in the real world? Maybe. It would be a toss up and any deer would never see the difference. The fast twist barrels let them shoot the long bullets. If BHW gets a 1:8 twist 6 MM set up then you would come close.

Is it worth it? Heck none of these wildcats are worth it!! Would I buy one? Only to have it as I am content with the 6X6.8 and 243 LBC. Also I truly believe the brass being sole sourced by Hornady will be a pain to get down the road just like the 221 Fireball was/is.

I would like to see a COMMERCIAL bolt gun from Remington show up and it may well happen but I believe the 6X6.8 or stepping up to a 6BRX would run right over it for several reasons IMHO. I don't expect any of these to show up in the Maine woods anytime soon.

Greg

[aspp]

With the longer case length the HAGAR will be limited on how fast you can push the heavys, we just dont have the room to load the big bullets long in that case. So what you gain in case capacity is lost in OAL limitations.
Thats what I see with it anyway.

In a bolt gun setup, I think it would spank the 6x6.8 and 243lbc, but in a AR platform we are just a bit too limited. The new 6Eight that is comming out might just give us the room to make it work though, if someone makes a SS mag for it, or if you dont mind cutting up a new PMag.

Just my 2 cents, so take it as you will.

[GLSHOOTER]

Oct 18, 2012 13:50:41 GMT -8 aspp said:

With the longer case length the HAGAR will be limited on how fast you can push the heavys, we just dont have the room to load the big bullets long in that case. So what you gain in case capacity is lost in OAL limitations.
Thats what I see with it anyway.

In a bolt gun setup, I think it would spank the 6x6.8 and 243lbc, but in a AR platform we are just a bit too limited. The new 6Eight that is comming out might just give us the room to make it work though, if someone makes a SS mag for it, or if you dont mind cutting up a new PMag.

Just my 2 cents, so take it as you will.

The extra case capacity is nice but like you say you loose it in a mag length. Of course the round is for high power out to 600 yards so it is not that big a deal, The other two handle that distance easily also. The 243 LBC will out run the 6X6.8 and will run right up close enough to the Hagar to be a wash.

Bolt guns might are interesting but there are far better 6 MM's out there if you want that as the platform. A 6 BRX comes to mind and it will do 1000 and not have to stretch much.

Of course another problem is the HAGAR brass was a one time special run by Hornady and when Ritch talked to them they stated they had no interest in doing another one nor were they entertaining the thought of loading the ammo commercially.

Greg

[aspp]

Oct 18, 2012 19:00:07 GMT -8 GLSHOOTER said:

Oct 18, 2012 13:50:41 GMT -8 aspp said:

With the longer case length the HAGAR will be limited on how fast you can push the heavys, we just dont have the room to load the big bullets long in that case. So what you gain in case capacity is lost in OAL limitations.
Thats what I see with it anyway.

In a bolt gun setup, I think it would spank the 6x6.8 and 243lbc, but in a AR platform we are just a bit too limited. The new 6Eight that is comming out might just give us the room to make it work though, if someone makes a SS mag for it, or if you dont mind cutting up a new PMag.

Just my 2 cents, so take it as you will.

The extra case capacity is nice but like you say you loose it in a mag length. Of course the round is for high power out to 600 yards so it is not that big a deal, The other two handle that distance easily also. The 6X6.8 will out run the 243 LBC and will run right up close enough to the Hagar to be a wash.

Bolt guns might are interesting but there are far better 6 MM's out there if you want that as the platform. A 6 BRX comes to mind and it will do 1000 and not have to stretch much.

Of course another problem is the HAGAR brass was a one time special run by Hornady and when Ritch talked to them they stated they had no interest in doing another one nor were they entertaining the thought of loading the ammo commercially.

Greg

Ahhh, see I didnt know about the brass issue. I had looked into one a while back to replace my poor .243 win that has almost shot out its 4th barrel. Decided a 6BR/6BRX would be smarter, then changed my mind and built a 6.8. Of course BHW had to come out with the 6x6.8 3 weeks later after all my funds were gone.... lol
I am a sucker for the 6mms though, so I have one in my sights.

[GLSHOOTER]

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Ahhh, see I didnt know about the brass issue. I had looked into one a while back to replace my poor .243 win that has almost shot out its 4th barrel. Decided a 6BR/6BRX would be smarter, then changed my mind and built a 6.8. Of course BHW had to come out with the 6x6.8 3 weeks later after all my funds were gone.... lol
I am a sucker for the 6mms though, so I have one in my sights.[/quote]

You are on the track in your thinking about it. The 6 MM is just a good caliber all around. I think the 6 LBC would be a good choice. I am looking at a 6BRX for the future for long range and I think it would be a blast.

Greg