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Post by bigbronco on Dec 31, 2012 10:33:16 GMT -8
Can Someone school me on This thing called a Wylde chamber.
For 2013 I am wanting to build a match grade .556 upper.
I have been told by many to just buy a White Oak upper.
I cannot shake the feeling that I want to go with the Black hole barrel. Your recommendations for the barrel and setup would be appreciated. Thanks
Looking to taking advantage of the New Year special.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Dec 31, 2012 12:01:31 GMT -8
Can Someone school me on This thing called a Wylde chamber. For 2013 I am wanting to build a match grade .556 upper. I have been told by many to just buy a White Oak upper. I cannot shake the feeling that I want to go with the Black hole barrel. Your recommendations for the barrel and setup would be appreciated. Thanks Looking to taking advantage of the New Year special. The Wylde cahmbers will do fine for both as you know as a comprimise. The BHW chambers wlil do both. They wlil do both so well that you will never see a noticable accuracy degradation with their 556 chamber. Mine is shooting very well, easy sub-MOA, even with me at the trigger. Are you talking long range or run and gun match grade? I would run a full 24" bull if I want way out there at 500+ though the STANDARD weight is plenty good. I am a truck axle junkie...........  For a run and gun, 3 Gun or DCM I would go STANADRD weight 20". This will give you a tack driver tube and you won't be humping that extra bull weight around. Greg |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 12:07:00 GMT -8
In the Wylde chamber the size the throat is smaller diameter (.224) that helps the bullet better support with the bore and has a larger chamber with .061 freebore. The .223 is smaller in all dimensions with a shorter .025 throat, this in contrast to the .056 throat and .226 diameter of the 5.56NATO chamber. There are at least six popular reamer variations of the .223 for match and other purposes but the wylde seems the perfect compromise to give good accuracy even with longer bullets and still be perfectly safe to shoot 5.56 military/NATO rounds. HEre you can see some of the different dimensions... www.ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdf |
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Post by ramjet357 on Dec 31, 2012 17:45:27 GMT -8
Wylde has appeared to me to also be a great compromise. I am very interested in the posted comments regarding barrel length for long-range shooting vs. 3-gun competition.
I have a bolt-action Savage .223 SS bull-barrell that should be good for long-range accuracy and a DPMS 5.56 16" for closer shooting (3-gun comp?).
For my build I've been considering the purchase of an 18" LTM or standard thickness BHW barrel as something in between.
Comments or advice greatly appreciated...
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Dec 31, 2012 17:59:09 GMT -8
In the Wylde chamber the size the throat is smaller diameter (.224) that helps the bullet better support with the bore and has a larger chamber with .061 freebore. The .223 is smaller in all dimensions with a shorter .025 throat, this in contrast to the .056 throat and .226 diameter of the 5.56NATO chamber. There are at least six popular reamer variations of the .223 for match and other purposes but the wylde seems the perfect compromise to give good accuracy even with longer bullets and still be perfectly safe to shoot 5.56 military/NATO rounds. HEre you can see some of the different dimensions... www.ar15barrels.com/data/223-556.pdfAnd the great thing is you have no earthly idea of which of the six or more reamers you get. It is like noodeling for catfish. You pull out what grabs you. Greg |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Dec 31, 2012 18:02:22 GMT -8
Wylde has appeared to me to also be a great compromise. I am very interested in the posted comments regarding barrel length for long-range shooting vs. 3-gun competition. I have a bolt-action Savage .223 SS bull-barrell that should be good for long-range accuracy and a DPMS 5.56 16" for closer shooting (3-gun comp?). For my build I've been considering the purchase of an 18" LTM or standard thickness BHW barrel as something in between. Comments or advice greatly appreciated... The trade off in barrel lenght comes down to what you want on handling. A 20" will handle 95% of anything out to 600 and an 18 will do just as well. My 3 Gun is a 17.5 or a 20 in 6X45. I run a 223 only as a back up rifle. If you want 1000 then you strap on all the barrel you can get. Greg |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2012 21:46:28 GMT -8
It is ok to assume that any Wylde chamber is safe for 5.56 and potentially more accurate.
It is a good idea to measure the chamber before you reload anyway so you know your max COAL by the chamber and magazine for each bullet whichever comes first.
1000 yards are mayor words. A larger barrel will give an edge but also a 22" in .223 or a 20" in 6x45 will get there.
But in order to get there you need a VLD setup or then single feed. The coal and load combination does more for the performance of the alternative loads than the barrel length alone. In the end is the case and the chamber/free-bore that puts the strictest limits. It is amazing the difference between running a magazine at 2.45" vs. 2.30".
For the .223 means you can run 80gr Amax and 80gr Bergers at same or even better speeds than MK262 but the same pressures.
Needless to say and like always one must start slow and then build from there.
Happy 2013
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Post by texcl on Jan 1, 2013 8:04:21 GMT -8
I have to say that my 18" rifle length barrel has the tightest 5.56 chamber I've owned, the barrel is very easy on brass and is more accurate than my old target grade 20" colt hbar barrel. I have to say I'm sold on blackhole barrels. I went out 2 days ago and set up water bottles and milk jugs out to 400 yards for my mother in law (a liberal) and my kids to shoot. They were able to hit all the targets with no issues, (had to set the scope for each range of course) all the targets were hit with in 3 shots. This gun just makes it easy. My mother in law actually enjoyed it and came away with an understanding why people like to shoot black rifles. I can shoot sub -moa groups with mine at 190 yards (I messed up my measurments when building my gun range lol hence 10 yards short). I have even shot a sub .5 group at that range, I am an advanced firearms instructor and have used all sorts of weapons and this is the most accurate military style weapon I've ever used, it's just great. I have recently started loading 55gr varmagedon bullets over 27gr of varget and have been getting super results, this is the first reload I've tried cant wait to tweek it. I didn't think I would be able to get sub-moa groups with an 1-8 twist and less than 60 gr bullets, but so far it will do sub-moa from 55gr-77gr. I will test 50gr. next and see how that works out. Long story short, I don't think the wylde chamber could possibly make any practical accuracy difference as I wouldn't be able to shoot that well. I will probably move out to 500 yards with a bulls eye so I can comment on longer range group size. I have heard these varmint bullets dont do so well over 400 so we'll see, I still have a little mk262 mod 1 ammo left so might try that as well.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 1, 2013 10:47:32 GMT -8
Sounds like you have a real shooter there. Now load the ammo and don't worry about the W word.
As sson as you went to reloading 99% of the time you have left the 556 world so the 223 straight chambers become your play ground also.
Greg
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Post by bigbronco on Jan 3, 2013 16:58:05 GMT -8
Thanks for the responses I am intending to build a long range match gun. For Military rifle competition. Not a three gun. Debating between a 20 inch or a 24 inch barrel. Not to mention the chamber. I do hand load so I can set the col as needed. However for the rapid fire the rounds obviously need to be mag length.
Still debating whether to go with A2 fixed Cary handle or flat top. Flat top does give better options for adding a scope later.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 3, 2013 17:26:06 GMT -8
Thanks for the responses I am intending to build a long range match gun. For Military rifle competition. Not a three gun. Debating between a 20 inch or a 24 inch barrel. Not to mention the chamber. I do hand load so I can set the col as needed. However for the rapid fire the rounds obviously need to be mag length. Still debating whether to go with A2 fixed Cary handle or flat top. Flat top does give better options for adding a scope later. For Service Rifle you are limited to 20". From the Rules (Short part): External alterations to the barrel, upper and lower receivers, stock, handguard, or pistol grip will not be allowed, except that a device may be attached to prevent selector lever movement to the auto position. So no flat top in Service Rifle. You could shoot as a Match Rifle and then it is run what cha brung and let your pocket book be your guide. Greg |
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Post by bigbronco on Jan 4, 2013 17:11:52 GMT -8
Can I use an A3 flat top with a clamp on cary handle sight?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 4, 2013 18:06:27 GMT -8
Can I use an A3 flat top with a clamp on cary handle sight? Not for Service Rifle. In order to do SR the handle must be intact just like the basic E2 guns we all shoot with iron sights. A detachable carry handle upper would go in Match Rilfe class where the big $$'s play. Greg |
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Post by bigbronco on Jan 8, 2013 22:06:21 GMT -8
Drat. Now I need to by another upper. I thought I was down to just needing a barrel and sight. Thought I could swear I saw target grade (barreled) M4's with clamp on carry handles being used in the service rifle class at Pendelton.
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