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Post by HuntTXhogs on Apr 2, 2013 14:49:17 GMT -8
Good Evening -
Speer will be no help, they don't do any testing these days for anything other than what is on their website.
This puzzle can't be too hard to solve but I am asking for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions.
Bullet is 80gr Deepcurl Nitride Coated with Warning that conventional load data shouldn't be used.
Powder will be CFE223
Magnum CCI 450 primers
LCC brass
Thoughts / Experiences with the 80gr or 90 gr bullets?
Thanks in advance.
BB
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 2, 2013 16:02:45 GMT -8
Good Evening - Speer will be no help, they don't do any testing these days for anything other than what is on their website. This puzzle can't be too hard to solve but I am asking for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th opinions. Bullet is 80gr Deepcurl Nitride Coated with Warning that conventional load data shouldn't be used. Powder will be CFE223 Magnum CCI 450 primers LCC brass Thoughts / Experiences with the 80gr or 90 gr bullets? Thanks in advance. BB Other than the coating that will lower pressures a tad they are GTG with regular data. I would pull up Hodgdon and find an equivalent bullet weight and use that. Start at the bottommand move up. If you have a chronograph it will help a great deal. I suspect that you will be a bout 50-75 FPS below predicted speeds. We usually will have to bump 0.2 to 0.5 to pick up that speed in other coated bullets. If you are loading MAG lenght you won't have to worry about being in th lands. What are you shooting this in? A 6X45? Most don't need Magnum primers. If that is all you have then make sure you do start below the MAX and work up slowly. The DC bullets will be longer than the same weight regular bullet but the BHW 1:9 should stabilize them OK. Greg |
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Post by HuntTXhogs on Apr 3, 2013 5:25:50 GMT -8
Greg -
Thank you for the feedback.
I am shooting a 1:9 twist BHW 6x45.
Currently I am using CFE223 / CCI 450 / Nosler 80gr BT
I went the magnum primer route to reduce the possibility of slam fires in the AR design, spotty reporting on that with standard CCI400.
I get great accuracy and stabilization out to 200 with the above setup but I'm looking for a bullet that will penetrate further. I have had two hogs take head/neck shots with the Nosler's and ultimately walk away after the 'stinger' effect wore off.
Hopefully the Speer's will deliver a bit more hydrostatic shock deeper within the animal to disconnect the nervous system.
No signs of pressure or adversity with my current load so I suppose I will drop back 2 grains and start working from there with the DCs.
Thx,
BB
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 3, 2013 9:57:01 GMT -8
Greg - Thank you for the feedback. I am shooting a 1:9 twist BHW 6x45. Currently I am using CFE223 / CCI 450 / Nosler 80gr BT I went the magnum primer route to reduce the possibility of slam fires in the AR design, spotty reporting on that with standard CCI400. I get great accuracy and stabilization out to 200 with the above setup but I'm looking for a bullet that will penetrate further. I have had two hogs take head/neck shots with the Nosler's and ultimately walk away after the 'stinger' effect wore off. Hopefully the Speer's will deliver a bit more hydrostatic shock deeper within the animal to disconnect the nervous system. No signs of pressure or adversity with my current load so I suppose I will drop back 2 grains and start working from there with the DCs. Thx, BB Actually a Remington 7 1/2 will do fine for you. The 450's will do fine also. Lots of guys use them. I just don't personally. The hydrostatic shock gain will be greatly surpassed by the deeper penetration. Greg |
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Post by HuntTXhogs on Apr 12, 2013 4:09:22 GMT -8
Today is range day - Loaded up 50 rounds starting at 24.5 grs, with .3 gr step increments, up to 27.1 grs.
These bullets are slippery, not like an oily coating but just slick.
Had I not been using Mag primers I would have started at 25.5 and topped at 27.5 grs.
I am hoping for decent accuracy with a heavier punch on game.
I will update with range results.
Ben
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2013 6:56:31 GMT -8
Greg - Thank you for the feedback. I am shooting a 1:9 twist BHW 6x45. Currently I am using CFE223 / CCI 450 / Nosler 80gr BT I went the magnum primer route to reduce the possibility of slam fires in the AR design, spotty reporting on that with standard CCI400. I get great accuracy and stabilization out to 200 with the above setup but I'm looking for a bullet that will penetrate further. I have had two hogs take head/neck shots with the Nosler's and ultimately walk away after the 'stinger' effect wore off. Hopefully the Speer's will deliver a bit more hydrostatic shock deeper within the animal to disconnect the nervous system. No signs of pressure or adversity with my current load so I suppose I will drop back 2 grains and start working from there with the DCs. Thx, BB I would also look at trying the 85 and or the 95 grain Nosler Partition. They will do just what you are asking and are loaded the same as any other conventional bullet. |
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Post by HuntTXhogs on Apr 12, 2013 16:56:49 GMT -8
Well.... I guess I was in an Artist mood today  , some of these groupings are uncanny (patterns). I would say I had an average day shooting, rest was solid, wind was manageable. Charge weights are written near 5 shot groups.   So at best I can see that a few 3 shot groups are less than 1 inch at 100 yards. Accuracy was better with the Nosler BTs but I'm sure that had to do with ballistic coefficient. If you were to load one of these, which would you choose - and why? I have never experienced horizontal stringing with me behind the trigger, what causes that phenomenon? Thx, BB |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 12, 2013 19:00:27 GMT -8
Well.... I guess I was in an Artist mood today , some of these groupings are uncanny (patterns). I would say I had an average day shooting, rest was solid, wind was manageable. Charge weights are written near 5 shot groups. So at best I can see that a few 3 shot groups are less than 1 inch at 100 yards. Accuracy was better with the Nosler BTs but I'm sure that had to do with ballistic coefficient. If you were to load one of these, which would you choose - and why? I have never experienced horizontal stringing with me behind the trigger, what causes that phenomenon? Thx, BB Once I figured the targets were sideways it helped somewhat!! ;D The horizontal stuff USUALLY means you are at a good load level but the seating depth is not right. It would have to be in and out. Those bullets aren't cheap so you may well deplete your pocket book somewhat playing with it. The BC has nothing to do with accuracy. It only works on flight path influence. It won't make a smaller group because it is higher. The gun just flat likes the Noslers if it shot them better. Marking the targets with the bullet/load would be a big hep. You mention they are marked but I don't see any on my screen. They just look like a bunch of random groups without any specs applied to them. I made a comment about kids and Brussels sprouts and this might well be one of those cases. The kid just doesn't like 'em. Four factors are at play. The monolithic bullet, the poly rifling, the coating, many barrels don't shot coated pills well until a through seasoning process is done, and the seating depth. If I were going at this I would abandon the monolithic bullet format if only because of the cost and my familiarity with normally constructed bullets. I went ahead and reviewed the literature, in this case loading manuals, and came up with an 85 grain bullet form each of the big boys. The Nosler Partition wold be first choice because they do have a nice heavy jacket and by design penetrate well and hang together. Next would be the Hornady Interbond that has a very well designed core/jacket interface. The third would be the Sierra Game King that has a good reputation in the 6 MM world for killing and getting in deep. The last would be the Speer Boat Tail that I have not played with much in the game bullet varieties as I use the for PD's in the TNT build. You can hump those 85's up and they fly pretty flat.I'm not sure of your barrel length but I will see a 3100 out of my 24" 6X45 on a regular basis. Just my musings but then I do a bit of that. Greg |
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Post by HuntTXhogs on Apr 13, 2013 7:17:33 GMT -8
Greg - Thanks for your responses, I hope some others will weigh in to and/or read this thread to get info on the Speer DCs and 1x9 BHW barrels (AR). I fixed the photos ;D A) I am sitting on 450 of these bullets, so I won't abandon the project until those are fired. So the cost is sunk B) I am thinking of loading up all 450 at the 25.9 grain charge weight, it was a consistent print from a space and alignment standpoint with variable influences being my scope, cheek weld, wind, etc... C) My barrel length is 18.5 inches Please do elaborate on barrels that need to shoot coated bullets for awhile before things settle down. If you have some articles or publishing to point towards I'd love to read em. Your "musings" are value-added and I appreciate your time and that of the other forum members, Black Hole Weaponry ROCKS!!!  Regards, Ben |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 13, 2013 12:32:19 GMT -8
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Post by HuntTXhogs on Apr 28, 2013 11:50:01 GMT -8
Update: I bought a new scope, wasn't happy with the accuracy from the last range session with the 3x9 Bushnell. I put a 3x9 Vortex Diamondback V-Plex on the gun and reloaded 3 sets of 80gr Speer Deepcurls (25.7 / 25.9 / 26.1). Shooting 5 shot groupings it looks as though 26.1 at standard 6x45mm COAL is going to be the load for awhile. I will update later in the Spring regarding performance of the ammo on game. Thx, BB     |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 28, 2013 15:05:44 GMT -8
Looks like some hogs are in deep doo doo.
Greg
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Post by HuntTXhogs on May 1, 2013 19:03:53 GMT -8
Looks like some hogs are in deep doo doo. Greg I loaded up 400 rounds of 6x45. I'm ready for the first and second wave of hogs   |
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Post by HuntTXhogs on May 5, 2013 18:14:58 GMT -8
Success with the new loading. First hog killed in the daytime off this property in a few years, it is as though he knew that I needed a test subject ;D Spotted him from 150 yards away, put the stalk on him and got to within 100 yards. I was elevated from him by about 20 feet, he was broadside but angled slightly towards me. I touched off the shot and the bullet entered his right side just behind the ear, the exit was on his left side lower shoulder/arm. He dumped straight over and didn't move. The bullet did a complete pass through and was not recovered  Total devastation within, lost 1/4 of the offside shoulder due to hydrostatic shock. Clean kill and a great start with the 80 gr Deepcurl and BHW 6x45mm I hope to get the opportunity to take a larger hog with the bullet on another hunt to see what the limitation is of the round. Distance wise this appears to be a sub 200 yard load recipe for my length barrel based on bullet drop. BB 125 lb boar |
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Post by hogwild on May 5, 2013 20:47:34 GMT -8
Tell us about your rifle in the Hog Rifle thread.
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, some of these groupings are uncanny (patterns).
