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Post by GLSHOOTER on Dec 16, 2013 21:05:54 GMT -8
That being done if you wish to decap while you size it won't fly. We have been doing these for years. It is not rocket science. Let's not over think this. Simple is as simple does. I ended last Sunday with the same number of chickens I started with. LOL
Greg
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Post by midwestpredator on Dec 16, 2013 22:56:50 GMT -8
it surely isn't rocket science but when the guys at Redding treat you like a $2 hooker treats a condom you most definitely do not want to give them more money after you already spent $90 on a single die and 2 bushings.
besides, I already had the 6mm die set, the de-capping units for the type s dies were not available NO WHERE and I had a complete rifle sitting on the bench with no way to reload short of buying a universal de-capper.
so your right keep it simple stupid(not aimed at anyone, just an expression)...took me all of 30 seconds to figure out 6.8 brass fits extremely well inside the 6mm die, which I did not have to adjust from my setting for fl sizing my 6mm rem brass. I even timed it once(im a curious little bugger  ) and it doesn't even take 5 extra minutes to run 100pcs through my de-capper before I run them through the type s die. you say potato I say pot~a~to, plus this is just one more option for any future shooters to save a few bucks if they already have a 6mm rem die. If you have to buy something anyway they you are spot on, pickup the correct de-capping assembly for the type s die and get busy.
on a side not, a 243 die will work as a substitute for the 6mm rem die, just don't run the ram to top dead center, the spent primer is popped out before you get there anyway. In that line of thinking a 244 rem, 257 rob and probably anything close to those dimensions would suffice as well. No sense buying extras when perfectly good tools are already paid for sitting on the shelf, but personally I squeak when I walk if you know what im sayin'.  |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Dec 17, 2013 8:17:51 GMT -8
You don't want to see how I make and load 17/223. LOL
Greg
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Post by midwestpredator on Jan 1, 2014 17:29:35 GMT -8
lol. I have an affinity for the 17 rem, I took my first coyote with one and many other critters followed, and have been considering a new build. possibly 17 cal. anything that I should make note of between 17 rem and 17-223? I tried searching with no luck.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 1, 2014 19:33:42 GMT -8
lol. I have been kind of an affinity for the 17 rem and have been considering a new build. anything that I should make note of between the 2 calibers? I tried searching with no luck. Which two calibers do you mean? If you mean the 17/223 and the 17 Remington they are about equal but the 17/223 being shorter and made from CHEAP brass gets my nod. I am not only cheap I am frugal!! I make 20 Practical out of 223 and then grab that and make 17/223 out of it. I crank 'em out on my 650 and it is easy. I go in with a 223 running it through a Dillon trimmer a 20 die and a 17 die and all it takes is a pull of the handle. There is also a 17 TACTICAL that is the little brother to the 20 Tactical, which I also shoot, but they are a pain to make when you sart moving that shoulder. The 17/223 has been called the 17 PRACTICAL also. I don't know how practical it is but PD's don't like those 4000+ FPS 20 grainers. Greg |
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Post by midwestpredator on Jan 1, 2014 20:17:09 GMT -8
yes 17 rem and 17-223. sorry I was in a hurry and didn't read what I had typed before submitting so I edited to clarify. The 20% off sale has got me thinking about what I could build next.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 1, 2014 21:00:30 GMT -8
yes 17 rem and 17-223. sorry I was in a hurry and didn't read what I had typed before submitting so I edited to clarify. The 20% off sale has got me thinking about what I could build next. One of each would be a start.  Greg |
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Post by midwestpredator on Jan 4, 2014 2:54:12 GMT -8
Well the 17 rem is my old mans but is still around. Problem is finding brass. So, I got to looking into other options and 17-223 might just fit the bill. Bullet selection is kind of a downer right now but I can find some in stock now but not really the ones I think I want, insert: rock and hard place! haha |
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Post by highfructosecornsyrp on Sept 20, 2015 14:52:15 GMT -8
Would you be able to provide an itemized list of parts needed for making the brass, sizing, then seating the 22x6.8?
Do you know how much freebore there is in your barrels? I.e. How much capacity can I free up in the brass by single loading rounds that are longer than mag length?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Sept 20, 2015 18:22:25 GMT -8
Would you be able to provide an itemized list of parts needed for making the brass, sizing, then seating the 22x6.8? Do you know how much freebore there is in your barrels? I.e. How much capacity can I free up in the brass by single loading rounds that are longer than mag length? You need a Redding Type S FL bushing die. Bushings going down 0.010 to 0.015 increments. 285-270-255-245 or so should get you close depending on what brass you use. I use a Hornady 22 caliber seater with a micrometer top. You will need a 224 decapping assembly but do not use the expander. That's why we use bushings. You need the decapping oin retainer or you can turn down the expander ball so it clears the neck. You MUST tge smaller decapping assembly as the 6.8 won't go through the 223 neck. Not sure about free bore but you won't gain much in capacity loading long and that would vary from bullet to bullet. You can reach the lands at magazine lenght with many bullets uf you use the new ASC magazines that let you load to 2.314. What weight do you want to shoot? Greg |
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Post by highfructosecornsyrp on Sept 21, 2015 12:59:26 GMT -8
75-80 amax
thanks for the info on the dies
might you be able to put a parts list (part numbers etc) on the page where the barrels are sold? a detailed step by step explanation for sizing and then loading would be cool too. Ive been researching these 6.8 22 wildcats for a month or so and there are still a few things I am not quite clear on.
Like the actual sizing down I understand. One thing I am curious about though is once you load your powder charge and put the bullet in the case, is there a specific bushing in the seater die that kind of crimps the brass onto the bullet? I understand if this is a ridiculous question. i assume there is a bushing in there that squeezes the brass onto the bullet to a certain spec. Is it another bushing in addition to the ones that you size down with? Again, sorry for the dumb question, this caliber seems ideal for target shooting with an AR and, unfortunately, there are no "turn key" solutions so I am trying to figure out this wildcatting thing.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Sept 21, 2015 17:07:37 GMT -8
75-80 amax thanks for the info on the dies might you be able to put a parts list (part numbers etc) on the page where the barrels are sold? a detailed step by step explanation for sizing and then loading would be cool too. Ive been researching these 6.8 22 wildcats for a month or so and there are still a few things I am not quite clear on. Like the actual sizing down I understand. One thing I am curious about though is once you load your powder charge and put the bullet in the case, is there a specific bushing in the seater die that kind of crimps the brass onto the bullet? I understand if this is a ridiculous question. i assume there is a bushing in there that squeezes the brass onto the bullet to a certain spec. Is it another bushing in addition to the ones that you size down with? Again, sorry for the dumb question, this caliber seems ideal for target shooting with an AR and, unfortunately, there are no "turn key" solutions so I am trying to figure out this wildcatting thing. There are directions on the site here for brass forming in this thread. Ritch laid it out in December 2013. Check it out. The bushings size the brass down and neck tension holds the bullet in place. We do not crimp. I recommend you read up on bushing dies and how they are used. BHW sells barrels on their site they will not clutter it up with part numbers as differnt bushing suppliers will be different numbers. I can think of at least five different companies supplying bushings that fit the Redding dies plus st least three companies supplying bushing style dies. You can send me a PM here with some questions and I can help you out on this. I've even been known to do phone consultation. It's pretty expensive. A Thank You usually covers the bill. Wildcats are probably not the best thing to cut your teeth on. Every rifle us slightly different and since there is no quantified loading data published it can be a challenge. I have been collecting tools and gauges for a long time. Not cheap and not intuitive. As I said send me a PM. BHW makes other chamberings that would be better/easier for target work though the 22X6.8 is very accurate. Greg |
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Sept 22, 2015 9:44:03 GMT -8
Bushings I use for the 6.8 variant group in sizing down Federal brass.
6.8. 299
6.5. 287
25. 279
6MM 269
22. 251
Not all brass is the same. You may need to run an expander ball . I do not.
Greg
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) and it doesn't even take 5 extra minutes to run 100pcs through my de-capper before I run them through the type s die. you say potato I say pot~a~to, plus this is just one more option for any future shooters to save a few bucks if they already have a 6mm rem die. If you have to buy something anyway they you are spot on, pickup the correct de-capping assembly for the type s die and get busy.
