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Post by stephen243 on May 28, 2020 13:29:25 GMT -8
Hello Everyone,
I had my .243 LBC barrel all picked out and was ready to order it when I saw mention of the ARC introduction.
Now I am wondering if I should wait for the ARC instead of going with the LBC. Manufacturer support is a good thing.
As far as I can tell the ARC gives up a small amount of case capacity in exchange for a shorter case that allows you to run the longer high BC bullets.
I am anxious to get moving on my build as I want to hunt with it this Fall.
Thanks Stephen
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Post by GLSHOOTER on May 28, 2020 14:58:24 GMT -8
Hello Everyone, I had my .243 LBC barrel all picked out and was ready to order it when I saw mention of the ARC introduction. Now I am wondering if I should wait for the ARC instead of going with the LBC. Manufacturer support is a good thing. As far as I can tell the ARC gives up a small amount of case capacity in exchange for a shorter case that allows you to run the longer high BC bullets. I am anxious to get moving on my build as I want to hunt with it this Fall. Thanks Stephen The ARC is little more than a 6 PPC. It looses capacity and while you theoretically cam shoot the longer/heavier bullets you give up velocity thanks to that loss. The LBC will do 105's in the right configuration but really shines with the 95's. The ARC will, IMHO, not add anything to the down range performance. If a guy just had to shoot the really big bullets then windowing the front of the magazine will give you all the room you would need plus some. Remember that ASC mags will let you go 2.314 nominal in the new stuff so that is a definitive step up over 2.260- 2.300 mags. Of course you can shoot the ARC in the ASC mags too..lol Greg
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Post by stephen243 on May 28, 2020 16:12:36 GMT -8
Thank you Greg. This is my first foray outside common commercial cartridges. I don't really know how beneficial it would be to go with a cartridge with major manufacturer support. Do you think that there may be much benefit in waiting for Hornady and the ARC? That is the only other reason i would go ARC. Hopefully I have not missed the 30% off by delaying
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Post by GLSHOOTER on May 28, 2020 18:33:45 GMT -8
Thank you Greg. This is my first foray outside common commercial cartridges. I don't really know how beneficial it would be to go with a cartridge with major manufacturer support. Do you think that there may be much benefit in waiting for Hornady and the ARC? That is the only other reason i would go ARC. Hopefully I have not missed the 30% off by delaying Just because they SAAMI it and make cases dose not guarantee a big amount of support. Look at history and some of the darlings of the day like the 6MM Remington, 256 Winchester, 22 Jet, 17 HM2. The 24 Nosler comes to mind and the 22 Nosler is pretty rare in the wild. Not that it's not out there but try to find a factory offering at a shop. I figure the ARC may well be one of those. I've learned that lots of gun stuff turns out to be vaporware in the long run. I'd much rather tussle with a mild wildcat than hold my breath waiting. I guess over five decades of eating and sleeping guns may give me a different perspective. If you go that route please post up. Greg
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 1, 2020 10:18:22 GMT -8
OK..... I was finally ready to pull the trigger on my order and had some second thoughts about barrel profile. The Helium Steel bull barrel was not an option I am building a compromise. 99.9% of my shooting is at targets. This gun will spend FAR more time at the range than it will in the woods. BUT, I do wan't to hunt it and I am not 25 anymore. My initial thoughts were the HBAR or semi-bull to give me some of the advantages of a heavy barrel without being too heavy to haul around the woods. After doing some searching and reading on the effect of barrel weight, and accuracy and comparison of the weight differences between the various profiles, I find myself undecided. I want the heat tolerance and stiffness of a bull barrel with the weight pf a pencil. What is the heaviest profile/length would you consider max if you were going to haul it around the woods for 4-6 days a year? Accuracy and repeatability are my #1 goals with comfort in the woods being a secondary concern. Discussing weight we should consider length as well. I have been carrying a bolt gun with a 22" barrel for years and have not found it terribly unwieldy. That said, I have never hunted a 16" or 18" barrel. What do you all recommend? Thanks. S.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 1, 2020 10:23:24 GMT -8
I shoot the STANDARD weight at 500 in F-class. Accuracy is great and strings of fire don't show any walking. This is not a mag dump barrel so you have no worries there.
You loose about 30 FPS per inch but in your application you'll never notice it.
Greg
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 2, 2020 5:19:05 GMT -8
Placed my order and received the following:
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Order Number: 30406
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 2, 2020 5:28:44 GMT -8
That's why we are lucky to have phones. Give them a call.
Greg
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 2, 2020 5:54:03 GMT -8
It's a bit early yet. I will try calling again later this morning.
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 2, 2020 16:59:44 GMT -8
I received a confirmation email shortly after I posted this morning. Barrel is ordered. I guess that means I am committed to. 243lbc Now to find a nice stiff billet upper to go with it.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 4, 2020 15:29:16 GMT -8
Concentrate on the 95 SMK and 8208 powder and be happy.
Greg
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Post by HuntTXhogs on Jun 8, 2020 8:25:25 GMT -8
I received a confirmation email shortly after I posted this morning. Barrel is ordered. I guess that means I am committed to. 243lbc Now to find a nice stiff billet upper to go with it. Get you a SBU upper receiver from JSE Surplus - they don't come with dust port covers or forward assist but they are as rigid as anything you'll find on the market. As an aside, what's your plan for 243 LBC dies? I have a barrel that I can't use because I haven't bought in to Redding sizing die and bushings (near 100 bucks). The Hornady 6ARC dies are 54.00 delivered...
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Post by 74bronco on Jun 10, 2020 9:55:02 GMT -8
the arc is only .030 shorter at the shoulder then the lbc/grendel case, it wouldn't surprise me if you cant take arc cases and fireform and blow them forward like a ackley improved or 6mm ar turbo and use them in the Lbc.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 10, 2020 11:05:50 GMT -8
Yep you could fire form them. I would not use bullets with some loss of usable neck length.
Greg
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 12, 2020 20:25:43 GMT -8
I received a confirmation email shortly after I posted this morning. Barrel is ordered. I guess that means I am committed to. 243lbc Now to find a nice stiff billet upper to go with it. Get you a SBU upper receiver from JSE Surplus - they don't come with dust port covers or forward assist but they are as rigid as anything you'll find on the market. As an aside, what's your plan for 243 LBC dies? I have a barrel that I can't use because I haven't bought in to Redding sizing die and bushings (near 100 bucks). The Hornady 6ARC dies are 54.00 delivered... I am going with the Redding S die. I can use it for my .224 "Grendel" as well.
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