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Post by carboss on Feb 19, 2012 21:29:53 GMT -8
I would like to get an AR round to hunt mule deer with and was looking at this caliber. What do you think, would this work well? I usually keep it within 200yrds.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 6:46:33 GMT -8
I would like to get an AR round to hunt mule deer with and was looking at this caliber. What do you think, would this work well? I usually keep it within 200yards. Thanks, Carboss The 300 Blackout will work for deer. IMHO there is just not enough there, especially at 200 yards. |
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Feb 20, 2012 6:53:30 GMT -8
I would like to get an AR round to hunt mule deer with and was looking at this caliber. What do you think, would this work well? I usually keep it within 200yrds. Thanks, Carboss I'd say look at the 7.62x40wt from Wilson Combat. bhw I believe has the reamer for it as well. It uses ye 11 twist 30 cal barrels and is more viable to a max of 200yards supersonic. Or instead go with a 6x45 if you want to stay in the 223 parent case. |
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Post by bhwoodsman on Feb 20, 2012 8:05:09 GMT -8
In the AR, the 300 BLK would not be my first choice - even under 200 yards. Sure it will kill the mule deer given excellent shot placement and assembling the absolute best cartridge components.
Look at the 6.8 SPC II, 243LBC, 264LBC. Larger case powder capacity will drive 100+ grain bullets faster. More energy and penetration. Mule deer can be heavy bodied critters with a tough cape.
When my shots are very likely to be under 150 yards, I carry my 6.8 SPC II carbine loaded with hot 110-115 grainers. Works well.
In the future, my next AR build will be on either a 450 Bushmaster or 458 SOCOM. This will be my timber busting carry for elk and mullies when the hunting is more face to face. In the past this work was done with a 45-70 lever gun. These thumpers hit like a hammer, leave a wide wound channel, in and out. If trailing is needed there is a very good blood trail. It won't be long.
Just my experiences and opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2012 11:19:41 GMT -8
Anything above 6.5mm out of a .223 case it starts to get really inefficient due to the low charge volume left to be able to push decent bullet (much higher grain) but some people like them.
6mm, .25 or 6.5mm are much better options.
If you do not mind new cases look into the LBC and 6.8 cases and some of their offspring too. The 6.8SPCII with the 0.010 freebore is a new world of options for hunting vs the 6.8 Spec 1.
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Post by zj762 on Dec 14, 2012 4:54:20 GMT -8
Blackout is legal for deer, but wouldn't be my first choice. I've had guys tell me they r getting em up to 2400 fps w/ 140-150 grain bullets. DONT BE FOOLED! I don't like calling people liars, but there ain't no way. The 7.62x39 and 7.62x40 can't even reach these speeds w/ these grain bullets. Maybe the 30 hrt, but I can't say 4 sure as I have 0 experience w/ it. Obviously, make the choice that you feel you'd be happiest, but IMHO, the blackout is lacking for medium 2 large game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 9:21:04 GMT -8
Although the OP didn't come back since February on this one I have to say this: 2400 fps w/ 140-150 grain bullets? That is the 30-30 not any balckout or russian around. I even see this is magazines and articles that is why people get confused and are too lazy to even look it up. 2100fps max for the russian with a 150gr bullet and 2100fps for the blackout FOR A 135gr maximum is what it should be expected. The 150gr bullet takes too much case capacity in the blackout and it is too heavy for the blackout that is already really short in powder. Please do your research before you get into new calibers... data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.aspwww.accuratepowder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/accurate_load_data_3.5.pdfIf you want to take deer down with authority the 6.8 or LBC/grendel are great options. Also the 6.5PCC and a longer barreled 6x45 are amazing. Otherwise you can use the Russian and even the milder blackout but keep it short in distance. But the 7.62x39 is better due to the larger capacity. |
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Post by zj762 on Dec 14, 2012 9:55:29 GMT -8
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Post by stooxie on Jan 8, 2015 6:14:36 GMT -8
I shot a couple deer this year with 300BLK and there were definitely dead. Both ran about 20 yards before dropping. I would not, however, have much confidence in the same result with a larger animal. Talking about 110gr Barnes VOR-TX out of a 12.5" barrel. Guessing 2250 fps.
Here's what I have concluded this far with the info I have (and always happy to have new info!):
1. 300BLK is a great round for SBR +/- suppressor hunting at CLOSE ranges, meaning under 200 yards. Personally I wouldn't hunt with it beyond 150 yards.
2. It IS awesome to not have to use hearing protection and not scare away every one of God's creatures within a mile radius when you pull the trigger.
3. It's doubly awesome to be able to shoot multiple deer in one sitting because of #2!! Semi auto is a big help when a deer gets shot and the others are just standing around because they can't figure out what happened.
4. The two deer that I killed this year with 300BLK had severe internal damage to their hearts and lungs. The 110gr Barnes TSX (I think?) projectile swizzled them up pretty good and still exited! I can post pictures if anyone wants to see.
5. That said, they were not DRT!! They ran about 20 yards which, really, is not far at all. I've shot plenty of deer with rounds that have double the energy (7mm-08) at the same distance and those deer were anchored.
6. Virginia deer ain't huge, although they are DARN tasty! We don't have the corn-fed bruisers from Iowa and Kansas here.
7. Can't even imaging trying to use subsonic ammo with a rainbow trajectory and handgun energy.
Based on all that I would not attempt to shoot a Mule deer with 300BLK assuming longer distances and a much heavier animal.
-Stooxie
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jan 8, 2015 10:22:23 GMT -8
I shot a couple deer this year with 300BLK and there were definitely dead. Both ran about 20 yards before dropping. I would not, however, have much confidence in the same result with a larger animal. Talking about 110gr Barnes VOR-TX out of a 12.5" barrel. Guessing 2250 fps. Here's what I have concluded this far with the info I have (and always happy to have new info!): Based on all that I would not attempt to shoot a Mule deer with 300BLK assuming longer distances and a much heavier animal.-Stooxie And that is exactly the reason the American 30 was designed and built by BHW. Field testing has proven it's performance already on some very nice mulies. Greg |
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Post by jeffytune on Jan 13, 2015 12:48:34 GMT -8
Okay, I will throw in my 2 cents worth....
Will a 300Blk kill a deer...Yes, but so would a 30 carbine, a 22 short or a ball peen hammer, it all were you hit them.
It all comes down to bullet placement and the bullet you use. The Hornaday 110 if I remember right is a Varmint bullet made for the 30-06, at the slower 300 speeds, it works less like a varmint and more like a hunting bullet.
If I were to use mine for hunting deer, I would limit myself to 200 meters, and then work up a load around a 125-130 gr., better downrange and less drop.
You just need to treat this round like Handgun hunting, placement is everything, you need to know your rise and drop at range and be ready to let the big one go if you can't get that perfect shot.
My first plan with my 16 inch barreled one is to work up a hunting load around the Nosler 150 grain ballistic tip silver tip, as there lube on the bullet will help add speed.
In the end, I may have to settle on the 125 gr. Ballistic tip for the better speed to make sure the bullet will open on impact.
We will see what happens down the road.
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