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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 6:08:39 GMT -8
Great news for all of the 6mm .243 crowd. The 1in 9 twist barrels are now available. I received a barrel in 6X45 and another in .243 LBC both 20 inch. They both looked perfect and went together without any problems what so ever.
Yesterday, Kerry Carver and myself took them both out for some testing. We started with the .243 LBC. I had loaded some Hornady 105 gr. Amax and some 58 gr. Vmax. We were going for both ends of the spectrum. After sighting in, I fired 3 shots for a group. ( it was already 90 degrees and rising and the barrel was starting to get hot. ) The first 3 shoot group measured .190 center to center. Remember this was only to prove the 1 in 9 will stabilize the long bullets. Will it do it again? After the way it acted sighting it in I am sure it will. The 58 gr. Vmax did not shoot as small a group as the 105's but still in the 1/2 inch range. Again not a problem. These were not worked up loads. They were loaded from loads off of the internet.
The 6X45 barrel was as easy to test as the LBC. Again after sighting it in. We started with 100 gr. Sierra Game Kings. They shot into a group that measured .518 center to center. With the heat rising we hurried and shot some 95 gr. Berger VLD's and some Hornady 87 gr Vmax. No worked up loads, this data came from Hodgdon's web site.
Both barrels show that 1 in 9 twist rate has the ability for extreme accuracy. The Black Hole Weaponry crew should be commended for the products they are putting out. These two barrels are proof they listen to the shooters and strive to get the public what the want.
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Post by carvercalls on Jun 17, 2011 6:12:40 GMT -8
Here are some groups!!
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Post by aftcg on Jun 17, 2011 8:56:45 GMT -8
Awesome. That is the exact barrel I have decided upon.
I have a Remington 700 that loves the 58 Vmax (after I almost gave up on it using the popular powders). I tried Varget as a last ditch effort and have produced sub 1" groups at 200 yards with it. That's at 42.0 grains but that is in the .243 Win.
I'd can post group pics if anyone cares but it would really be just thread jacking. I'd rather stay on this new caliber.
I have another 700 which is less than 200 serial numbers away from the other one which doesn't seem to care for that same load.
Keep up the work and report back!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2011 23:13:27 GMT -8
You guys have me plenty bullets loaded up when i get home from over here, We going to kill something Good shooting guys and glad to hear the 1 in 9's are doing what we hoped. ;D
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Post by guncollector on Jun 22, 2011 23:56:09 GMT -8
Thanks for the report on the 243lbc barrels. I am very interested in this cartridge. I read an article on the 6mmAR which, I believe, is the same cartridge,a necked down 6.5 Grendel. Where did you get your reloading dies? Robert Whitley sells 6mmar dies on his website, 6mmAR.com. They are made by Redding but he is asking $189.00 for the set. Hopefully you have a cheaper source. I am very anxious to get an upper built in 243lbc. Thanks again for posting your info.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 0:59:53 GMT -8
Thanks for the report on the 243lbc barrels. I am very interested in this cartridge. I read an article on the 6mmAR which, I believe, is the same cartridge,a necked down 6.5 Grendel. Where did you get your reloading dies? Robert Whitley sells 6mmar dies on his website, 6mmAR.com. They are made by Redding but he is asking $189.00 for the set. Hopefully you have a cheaper source. I am very anxious to get an upper built in 243lbc. Thanks again for posting your info. Guncollector This one is not quit the same as the 6mmAR it does have a few differences here and there. We using 6PPC dies to load it, the reamer was ordered just for that purpose and it works great.
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Post by guncollector on Jun 23, 2011 17:56:32 GMT -8
Thanks for the report on the 243lbc barrels. I am very interested in this cartridge. I read an article on the 6mmAR which, I believe, is the same cartridge,a necked down 6.5 Grendel. Where did you get your reloading dies? Robert Whitley sells 6mmar dies on his website, 6mmAR.com. They are made by Redding but he is asking $189.00 for the set. Hopefully you have a cheaper source. I am very anxious to get an upper built in 243lbc. Thanks again for posting your info. Guncollector This one is not quit the same as the 6mmAR it does have a few differences here and there. We using 6PPC dies to load it, the reamer was ordered just for that purpose and it works great. Thank you very much for the reply. If one can use 6PPC dies am I safe to assume one can use 6PPC reloading data? Can 6.5 grendel be formed using the 6PPC dies? I look forward to your reply.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2011 19:53:57 GMT -8
This one is not quit the same as the 6mmAR it does have a few differences here and there. We using 6PPC dies to load it, the reamer was ordered just for that purpose and it works great. Thank you very much for the reply. If one can use 6PPC dies am I safe to assume one can use 6PPC reloading data? Can 6.5 Grendel be formed using the 6PPC dies? I look forward to your reply. No you can't use 6 PPC loading data. The PPC pressure is to high. It runs about 63000 PSI. You can get the load data from 6mmar.com As for your second question. No you can't make 6.5 Grendel with 6 PPC dies. The parent case is the 7.62X39. So to make the 6.5 you would have to use the 6.5 dies.
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Post by letaz77 on Jun 23, 2011 22:33:16 GMT -8
Great news for all of the 6mm .243 crowd. The 1in 9 twist barrels are now available. I received a barrel in 6X45. How do I go about to order one of these 1:9 18" and/or 20" barrels from your website? It only shows the 1:10 option.
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Post by guncollector on Jun 23, 2011 23:08:11 GMT -8
Thank you very much for the reply. If one can use 6PPC dies am I safe to assume one can use 6PPC reloading data? Can 6.5 Grendel be formed using the 6PPC dies? I look forward to your reply. No you can't use 6 PPC loading data. The PPC pressure is to high. It runs about 63000 PSI. You can get the load data from 6mmar.com As for your second question. No you can't make 6.5 Grendel with 6 PPC dies. The parent case is the 7.62X39. So to make the 6.5 you would have to use the 6.5 dies. Sorry, I did not properly phrase my question about the brass. I have a large quantity of Lapua 6.5 Grendel Brass. Can this be formed into 6PPC/243lbc by forming in a 6PPC full length sizing die? I have formed 7.63X39 brass into 6.5 Grendel by running it into a 6.5 Grendel die and then fire forming. It looks like one should be able to form a 6.5 Grendel case into a 6PPC case but I am far from an expert in case forming. I look forward to your response.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2011 3:54:10 GMT -8
All we doing is running 6.5 lupua brass in a 6ppc die and necking it down and just bumbing the shoulder ,don't full length size it.Use Lupua brass
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Post by guncollector on Jun 24, 2011 13:49:44 GMT -8
All we doing is running 6.5 lupua brass in a 6ppc die and necking it down and just bumbing the shoulder ,don't full length size it.Use Lupua brass WSMBuck, Thank you for your reply. Exactly thr info I was looking for
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Post by tcjohnson7 on Jun 25, 2011 22:30:28 GMT -8
What velocity did you get with the 105 A-max and the 95 gr. Bullet and what length of barrel?
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Post by aftcg on Jul 1, 2011 7:44:50 GMT -8
Could you expand on this? I've got one of these barrels on order and want to be ready when it gets here.
Can I just run the 6.5 brass into a neck size die, or do I need to obtain a "shoulder bump" die? Or can I use a full length die and just set it high and work my way down until it hits the shoulder far enough to allow it to chamber?
Thanks. I might cross post this question to other places just to get as much information as possible.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jul 1, 2011 8:30:55 GMT -8
Could you expand on this? I've got one of these barrels on order and want to be ready when it gets here. Can I just run the 6.5 brass into a neck size die, or do I need to obtain a "shoulder bump" die? Or can I use a full length die and just set it high and work my way down until it hits the shoulder far enough to allow it to chamber? Thanks. I might cross post this question to other places just to get as much information as possible. You have the process right. With the FL die just start moving it in until the cases are set for chambering. A case mic set up from RCBS or Hornady would be a good way to get the final specs once you are set. Greg
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