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Post by doghog on Mar 24, 2011 18:26:00 GMT -8
I want one in the .17 WCH ;D
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Post by 2400 on Mar 25, 2011 13:36:20 GMT -8
After having the chance to shoot a bunch of new to me calibers in NM, I think I want a 6X45. I also liked the 6.8 but can't remember which one.
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Post by 2400 on Mar 25, 2011 16:02:11 GMT -8
Did I shoot your 6.8?
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Mar 25, 2011 18:16:54 GMT -8
I don't have a dream caliber any more. My 6.8 will do anything I want a 16" carbine to do. The blackout (300AAC) will do anything I want a 8" suppressed to do. If I weren't so broke, I'd say all of em  |
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Post by mtbugle on Mar 25, 2011 18:22:32 GMT -8
I'm hoping to get a 204 Ruger very soon. Hearing you guys talking about the 6x45 has me very interested also. The 300 blackout is also very close in there.
Thanks Don.
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Mar 25, 2011 19:11:25 GMT -8
I'm hoping to get a 204 Ruger very soon. Hearing you guys talking about the 6x45 has me very interested also. The 300 blackout is also very close in there. Thanks Don. 204 is a good'n.... I like it as well. 6x45 is good as well. Personally, if I were to have a 6mm version in an AR, I'd choose something like the 6x41 instead, or the 6mmWOA or something similar (only because larger case capacity, higher velocities). I think there's a caliber similar to that already? 243LBC correct? Eh... I need more info comparing the 243LBC and the 6x41... what the max COAL with a 90gr bullet for both? I believe the 6x41, with the 6.8SPC parent case can shoot the SMK... hadn't heard anything about the LBC until just recently. Billy or Carl, can you enlighten me there? I'm not reloading yet, in the process of moving again in a month and a half. Need to know though which would be best to get though when I start reloading. 6x41 would only require the 6x45 barrels... does the 243lbc allow the same twist rate as the 6x45? |
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Post by 2400 on Mar 26, 2011 6:33:31 GMT -8
No i dont think so , i didnt have it at the range that day. I carried it hunting one day but mostly used my 6x45. It was the one i had on the table with the light on it. Thanks, I shot so many guns that day it's hard to keep track. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 6:43:21 GMT -8
I'm hoping to get a 204 Ruger very soon. Hearing you guys talking about the 6x45 has me very interested also. The 300 blackout is also very close in there. Thanks Don. 204 is a good'n.... I like it as well. 6x45 is good as well. Personally, if I were to have a 6mm version in an AR, I'd choose something like the 6x41 instead, or the 6mmWOA or something similar (only because larger case capacity, higher velocities). I think there's a caliber similar to that already? 243LBC correct? Eh... I need more info comparing the 243LBC and the 6x41... what the max COAL with a 90gr bullet for both? I believe the 6x41, with the 6.8SPC parent case can shoot the SMK... hadn't heard anything about the LBC until just recently. Billy or Carl, can you enlighten me there? I'm not reloading yet, in the process of moving again in a month and a half. Need to know though which would be best to get though when I start reloading. 6x41 would only require the 6x45 barrels... does the 243lbc allow the same twist rate as the 6x45? Brandon, The reason for the LBC case is the ability to shoot 105 VLD bullets. The case is short and fat. It is a PPC case with the shoulder moved forward .075 for added case capacity. The overall case length is 1.530. This will give you about 1.000 for the bullet before you start to lose powder capacity. We are in the process of testing now. Results are coming in fast. A 95gr. VLD at 2850 fps is flat impressive. If you go with a light bullet a 58gr. Vmax at 3450fps is nothing to sneeze at. All the barrels that Carl has done up to now are 1 in 10, the same as the 6X45. A 1 in 10 will stabilize a 95gr. VLD. We hope to get 1 in 9 twist barrels soon. This will allow us to use the 105 Amax. With good conditions this would be capable of 1000 yards plus. We did look at the 6.8 case in the beginning. I decided it was to long for what we were trying to do. It has the capacity but is to long when you are seating long bullets like the 95's,105's and 107. It would actually hold less powder because the bullet would have to be seated so deep. |
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Post by onzah on Mar 26, 2011 19:59:20 GMT -8
I would like to see how much energy you can actually get out of an AR-15. 450 Bushmaster, 338 LBC?, 375 LBC? How big can you really go?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2011 9:23:02 GMT -8
I am not sure about using the LBC case for any thing bigger than a 30. However necking a WSSM up to 338, 358 or 375 would be interesting. There is also the possability of necking a 450 bushmaster down.
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Mar 27, 2011 13:39:25 GMT -8
204 is a good'n.... I like it as well. 6x45 is good as well. Personally, if I were to have a 6mm version in an AR, I'd choose something like the 6x41 instead, or the 6mmWOA or something similar (only because larger case capacity, higher velocities). I think there's a caliber similar to that already? 243LBC correct? Eh... I need more info comparing the 243LBC and the 6x41... what the max COAL with a 90gr bullet for both? I believe the 6x41, with the 6.8SPC parent case can shoot the SMK... hadn't heard anything about the LBC until just recently. Billy or Carl, can you enlighten me there? I'm not reloading yet, in the process of moving again in a month and a half. Need to know though which would be best to get though when I start reloading. 6x41 would only require the 6x45 barrels... does the 243lbc allow the same twist rate as the 6x45? Brandon, The reason for the LBC case is the ability to shoot 105 VLD bullets. The case is short and fat. It is a PPC case with the shoulder moved forward .075 for added case capacity. The overall case length is 1.530. This will give you about 1.000 for the bullet before you start to lose powder capacity. We are in the process of testing now. Results are coming in fast. A 95gr. VLD at 2850 fps is flat impressive. If you go with a light bullet a 58gr. Vmax at 3450fps is nothing to sneeze at. All the barrels that Carl has done up to now are 1 in 10, the same as the 6X45. A 1 in 10 will stabilize a 95gr. VLD. We hope to get 1 in 9 twist barrels soon. This will allow us to use the 105 Amax. With good conditions this would be capable of 1000 yards plus. We did look at the 6.8 case in the beginning. I decided it was to long for what we were trying to do. It has the capacity but is to long when you are seating long bullets like the 95's,105's and 107. It would actually hold less powder because the bullet would have to be seated so deep. Thanks for the info. For those style bullets, I could see it being used pretty well... would you say that this would be comparable replacement for the 6x45 then? Or a competitor to the 243wssm? I'm interested though, don't get me wrong. My 6.8SPC is by far my favorite caliber to mess with, because it's small, light weight, perfect set of projectiles to use (considering where the .277 bullets have been for the past 30 years). That being said, the 6mm/243 bullets available are FAR more available and would work great on anything smaller than a coyote, to things as big as my West Texas Pronghorn/Axis deer. I'd be interested to see some results of the VLD testing when complete. VERY much so actually. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2011 15:38:08 GMT -8
Brandon, The reason for the LBC case is the ability to shoot 105 VLD bullets. The case is short and fat. It is a PPC case with the shoulder moved forward .075 for added case capacity. The overall case length is 1.530. This will give you about 1.000 for the bullet before you start to lose powder capacity. We are in the process of testing now. Results are coming in fast. A 95gr. VLD at 2850 fps is flat impressive. If you go with a light bullet a 58gr. Vmax at 3450fps is nothing to sneeze at. All the barrels that Carl has done up to now are 1 in 10, the same as the 6X45. A 1 in 10 will stabilize a 95gr. VLD. We hope to get 1 in 9 twist barrels soon. This will allow us to use the 105 Amax. With good conditions this would be capable of 1000 yards plus. We did look at the 6.8 case in the beginning. I decided it was to long for what we were trying to do. It has the capacity but is to long when you are seating long bullets like the 95's,105's and 107. It would actually hold less powder because the bullet would have to be seated so deep. Thanks for the info. For those style bullets, I could see it being used pretty well... would you say that this would be comparable replacement for the 6x45 then? Or a competitor to the 243wssm? I'm interested though, don't get me wrong. My 6.8SPC is by far my favorite caliber to mess with, because it's small, light weight, perfect set of projectiles to use (considering where the .277 bullets have been for the past 30 years). That being said, the 6mm/243 bullets available are FAR more available and would work great on anything smaller than a coyote, to things as big as my West Texas Pronghorn/Axis deer. I'd be interested to see some results of the VLD testing when complete. VERY much so actually. No this is NOT a replacement for the 6X45. Or a competitor of the WSSM. What it is, is a way to get the most out of standard AR parts. No custom bolts, barrel extension, receiver modifications, ect. The 6X45 will always have a place. Brass is cheap its easy to load for and is extremely accurate. The 243 WSSM is a total custom. It has very good ballistics but requires almost every part of the upper be reenginered to make it work. |
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Post by Brandon Sneed on Mar 27, 2011 19:11:33 GMT -8
Thanks for the info. For those style bullets, I could see it being used pretty well... would you say that this would be comparable replacement for the 6x45 then? Or a competitor to the 243wssm? I'm interested though, don't get me wrong. My 6.8SPC is by far my favorite caliber to mess with, because it's small, light weight, perfect set of projectiles to use (considering where the .277 bullets have been for the past 30 years). That being said, the 6mm/243 bullets available are FAR more available and would work great on anything smaller than a coyote, to things as big as my West Texas Pronghorn/Axis deer. I'd be interested to see some results of the VLD testing when complete. VERY much so actually. No this is NOT a replacement for the 6X45. Or a competitor of the WSSM. What it is, is a way to get the most out of standard AR parts. No custom bolts, barrel extension, receiver modifications, ect. The 6X45 will always have a place. Brass is cheap its easy to load for and is extremely accurate. The 243 WSSM is a total custom. It has very good ballistics but requires almost every part of the upper be reenginered to make it work. Good to hear... i'd like to revisit this soon. |
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Post by ballardw on Mar 28, 2011 21:18:34 GMT -8
I had thought that the .264 LBC was possibly going to fill the bill for one of my dream calibers but the discussion above about a .243 LBC is very intriguing.
I've been interested in the 6x45 but the case/magazine combination in an AR15 platform limited bullet choices as the 90+ grain bullets really sacrificed performance. I loved my dad's .244, the original 6mm Remington with a twist that really didn't work well with the heavier bullets, and didn't want to go down the same bullet-weight limited cartridge. But it sounds like the 243 LBC might solve that dilemma.
I had two lowers set aside for projects but now it looks like I have at least one more.
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Post by hawsepiper on Mar 28, 2011 21:59:53 GMT -8
I am quite interested in the 224lbc. I'd love to have a 22-250 AR, but don't want to go up to the AR-10 frame and add the weight with that long barrel too.
The 264lbc I have is gonna be my go to I think. Light weight and plenty accurate so far. I do have another lightweight Specialized Dynamics 223 sitting at my FFL right now waiting to be picked up with a 16" BHW barrel as well. Will see how she performs. Will be much lighter with the Plum Crazy lower, but will lack the range and knock down from the 264. Order a EoTech XPS 2-0 and magnifier this morning to top that off with.
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