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Post by dantheman on Feb 2, 2019 20:03:16 GMT -8
Hi,
I've read that most are using the Redding Type S Bushing Dies to make their 243 LBC brass from the 6.5 Grendel.
On some earlier threads going back to 2012, I've also read that back then many were using 6 MM PPC dies to create their brass. It still seems much more cost effective to do it this way. 6MM PPC dies are half the cost of just the Redding Type S Bushing Die.
Why did everyone switch? Were there issues with longevity of the brass or not forming the last .70 of the case?
Dan
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Feb 2, 2019 21:10:41 GMT -8
Not sizing the bottom of the case is the main reason. We also stuck with the bushings because we want the ability to work with different neck tension and we also had the bushings anyway. Plus many of us are using the same die to load the 22 LBC and the 20 LBC.
BTW I don't know if they actually finished making them but CH4D was doing a run of 243 LBC standard style dies.
Greg
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Post by dantheman on Feb 3, 2019 4:36:35 GMT -8
While doing some research on dies, I found that Redding makes a 6.5 Grendel body only die, that doesn't touch the neck. Could this be utilized with a 6 MM PPC neck sizing die set to get the job done? Still cheaper than a set from CH4D or a Redding Type S Bushing Die, bushing and a separate seating die.
I'm on a fixed income and looking for the most economical option to get the job done.
Dan
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Feb 3, 2019 7:18:44 GMT -8
No reason why you couldn't do it that way. Do you plan on using the 6 PPC seater? I fully understand the fixed income thing. I'm retired and am trying to support a dog, two cats and my wife that is a quilter. Her hobby makes mine look cheap..LOL I've been accumulation gear since 1975 so additions are not as frequent. Greg My stomping grounds 4-8 hours/day. If you look at the calender you'll see these are old pics. I've added a bunch more.    |
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Post by dantheman on Feb 3, 2019 10:16:59 GMT -8
Very impressive bench.
Yes, to me it seems the most cost effective solution is to get an RCBS 6mm PPC neck sizing set and then to get a Redding Grendel body die.
That brings one to around $80 for everything which is cheaper that just one Redding Type S Bushing Die. CH4D dies will be around $105 or so before shipping.
Dan
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Feb 3, 2019 10:23:24 GMT -8
Sounds like you have a good handle on it. When did you get your barrel?
Greg
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Post by dantheman on Feb 3, 2019 14:21:08 GMT -8
I ordered the barrel during the 20% off sale. It'll be awhile before I receive it.
That means I have about three months to gradually get my upper parts and reloading supplies.
Dan
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Post by varminterror on Feb 17, 2019 15:18:13 GMT -8
While doing some research on dies, I found that Redding makes a 6.5 Grendel body only die, that doesn't touch the neck. Could this be utilized with a 6 MM PPC neck sizing die set to get the job done? Still cheaper than a set from CH4D or a Redding Type S Bushing Die, bushing and a separate seating die. I'm on a fixed income and looking for the most economical option to get the job done. Dan Consider what you’re committing to in terms of run out when you have one die sizing your body and another sizing your neck. I’ve been down that road, did body sizing with a bushingless Type S FL die then chased with neck sizing in a Type S bushing necking die - hard pass on introducing that much error into my ammo ever again. Better than some cheap dies, but not nearly as good as a full length type S with neck bushing. Watch for used dies - I got my Grendel Type S with a 6.5mm Hornady seater for $50. |
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Post by dantheman on Mar 1, 2019 10:00:11 GMT -8
I ended up buying the Redding Type S and the Hornady seating dies. Everything recommended on "the list".
I called CH4D and they've moved the availability date of their 243 LBC up another month and a half.
MidwayUSA gave me a nice discount for my birthday, saving roughly $20 on the Redding die so I didn't want to pass on the deal.
Thanks for everyone's advice.
Dan
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Post by traav on Apr 30, 2019 18:57:39 GMT -8
I’m trying to use the Redding type S with .268 bushing and am getting a weird flare at the end of the case mouth. It’s actually sizing the neck down to ~.262 and the mouth to .268. Looking for any help on this.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Apr 30, 2019 19:08:08 GMT -8
I’m trying to use the Redding type S with .268 bushing and am getting a weird flare at the end of the case mouth. It’s actually sizing the neck down to ~.262 and the mouth to .268. Looking for any help on this. Please check the other thread. Two threads in parallel confuses everyone. Greg |
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 3, 2020 10:01:47 GMT -8
I have read material regarding 6mmAR, Turbo, Turbo 40 and .243 LBC trying to make a decision on which one I want for my new rifle. A lot of discussion regarding dies for them.
Now that I have settled on the LBC I find myself a little confused as to the best option for dies will be. I was pretty much set on the Redding full length resizer and bushings. Then I read about the CH4D conventional dies. I spoke with a gent at CH4D and he strongly recommend their dies as bushing dies are prone to run-out.
I have been shooting and reloading for several years at a "basic" level. Since I have setup my reloading bench again I have developed a deeper interest in "precision" reloading.
With an eye towards producing the best performing ammo for my LBC, which dies would you recommend?
I am ready to learn the particulars of bushing dies if that is a better solution.
Thanks.
S.
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 3, 2020 10:59:51 GMT -8
The CH4D dies are made to our Spec and are good. Standard dies are not immune to run out either. Brass going in is a major factor. Garbage in garbage out. The biggest failure of a standard die is that you get XXX amount of neck tension on brass and as work hardening takes place you have no options. You really can't neck turn and use the standard type if you want to adjust tension and run out for irregular brass well like you can with a bushing set up. Bushings will also cause less working of the necks and can extend case life somewhat.
Greg
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Post by stephen243 on Jun 3, 2020 17:04:02 GMT -8
Thank you Greg.
It sounds like you favor the bushing dies. I simply want the best tools I can manage for the job at hand.
For what I am doing, would you recommend that I stick with the bushing die?
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Jun 3, 2020 18:59:13 GMT -8
Thank you Greg. It sounds like you favor the bushing dies. I simply want the best tools I can manage for the job at hand. For what I am doing, would you recommend that I stick with the bushing die? I load 90% of my rounds, over a dozen wildcats and standard stuff with bushings. I do it because of flexibility and results. I want to get the utmost out of my rifles and when you step across that 200 yard line everything counts. When I shoot at a 450 yard coke bottle sized prairie dog or an 5" plate at 500 I'm going to hang it on those bushings. Brass prep is maybe one off the highest payoffs in success. The more you can control the better you are going to do. The little extra time using bushings for case forming is not an issue when you amortize it over 10-12 loading. I have 6X6.8 brass with a dozen firings still going strong holding sub-MOA at 500. My advice go bushing. Greg |
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