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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 11:24:59 GMT -8
The Tooling arrived today for both the .450 Bushmaster and .458 SOCOM They are not ready to order, Nor will we be taking orders/reservations yet. We will be running a test few here within the next few weeks. Availability to the public will be determined by our results. So stay tuned.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 11:40:46 GMT -8
That's great news. Black Hole Weaponry home of the thumpers. We have been waiting for this for a long time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2011 12:08:26 GMT -8
Oh yeah,,, we been needing to get in to that line up. ;D There's going to be alot of happy hunters to hear this news  |
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Post by guncollector on Nov 9, 2011 10:02:21 GMT -8
Oh yeah!! I have go to get me one of each!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2011 18:03:33 GMT -8
That is awesome news!!!
I am not a thumper expert by any means but let me make a suggestion to you and the BHW staff....
If you can make a 450 bushmaster with a .458 bore vs a .452 bore, even if this is optional, you will create a huge opportunity for those that are tired of buying Hornady bullets or swagging all the rest.
Bushmaster and Remington (same group as DPMS) are well known for making amazing contributions but their marketing 'gurus' also shoot themselves in the foot many times. The 450 brass is very attractive in many ways but what is killing the option is the .452 bullets. Who is killing the 30RAR? Remington is. They might contribute to the killing of their own 450 as well.
But there is hope! with the smart folks and AR lovers out there to save those babies!
Only for me you will get a couple of orders but I know a large crew that will follow.
Just some simple thoughts in case you want to consider to addressing a clear pain point and provide a solution to the consumers.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 17:53:14 GMT -8
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Post by GLSHOOTER on Nov 10, 2011 18:56:06 GMT -8
That is awesome news!!! I am not a thumper expert by any means but let me make a suggestion to you and the BHW staff.... If you can make a 450 bushmaster with a .458 bore vs a .452 bore, even if this is optional, you will create a huge opportunity for those that are tired of buying Hornady bullets or swagging all the rest. Bushmaster and Remington (same group as DPMS) are well known for making amazing contributions but their marketing 'gurus' also shoot themselves in the foot many times. The 450 brass is very attractive in many ways but what is killing the option is the .452 bullets. Who is killing the 30RAR? Remington is. They might contribute to the killing of their own 450 as well. But there is hope! with the smart folks and AR lovers out there to save those babies! Only for me you will get a couple of orders but I know a large crew that will follow. Just some simple thoughts in case you want to consider to addressing a clear pain point and provide a solution to the consumers. So when you buy factory ammo with standard .452 bullets they will rattle down the barrel because you have a .458 bore and the accuracy will suck that is a good deal? . And then you have non-standard rifle on your hands that will ALWAYS be a hand load only proposition. Right? Greg |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2011 20:20:38 GMT -8
No I will have a 450 Bushmaster shooting 458 and 457 bullets where there is a huge assortment of bullets shooting of a nice 458 bore and it will be a breeze to load w/o the need to swag the bullets like many are doing right now due the lack of good assortment in the 452 department that is killing what otherwise could be a very nice long lasting round.
good deal right?
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Post by rswarden on Nov 10, 2011 22:14:09 GMT -8
My sister in law uses a 450 bushmaster for pig hunting, does the job very well. uses specific magazines. The bullets single stack into the magazine and they do rattle a little. Reloading the 450 was a headache. You will want to have a 45/70 crimp die modified to use for the 450. Factory Hornady ammo does suffer from bullet movement inside the magazine due to recoil.
I have no first hand experience with the 458socom, however I do know, any ar15 magazine is said to work with zero modification. This to me is a plus.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 5:43:25 GMT -8
The best way to get a .458 bore is to use a SOCOM. The 450 does just fine the way it is. I own one, so I can speak from experience.
Also I have not had any problems reloading the 450. I use Hornady dies, and have yet to have a bullet move from recoil. But I have never shot a factory loaded round out of my rifle.
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Post by rswarden on Nov 11, 2011 8:59:32 GMT -8
My sister in law never needed to shoot more then 1 round when pig hunting, so, she always had a magazine full of ammo, and just added 1 round on top of the ones already in the magazine. After a bunch of slain pigs, for whatever reason, my brother thought to unload the magazine. The bullets had creeped into the case, i dont know the exact measurements but it was enough to cause my brother to be worried.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 16:03:19 GMT -8
I like a straight case.
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humm... the 450 interesting....
Many shooters say no issues w/o crimping but many others also report a decline in accuracy when crimping. Probably a light crimp is the best.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2011 17:06:49 GMT -8
I am shooting factory ammo out of mine now till I get a set of dies and haven't had any trouble what so ever from the factory ammo.
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Post by livelyxp100 on Nov 13, 2011 6:17:11 GMT -8
The chamber would be to small to accept .458 bullets.
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Post by bhwoodsman on Nov 13, 2011 8:41:14 GMT -8
Good deal! Hopefully, the 450 Bushmaster barrels will be available in a couple different contours and lengths. I'd like to see one in the lightest contour possible and still be safe and durable.
Making the barrels available with a headspaced bolt would be a real plus. This bolt should include the right extractor. The bolt doesn't need to be assembled. Just all the right parts to make the bolt cartridge specific.
So let the prototyping begin! I'm ready to build!
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